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F80/F82/F83 M3 and M4 (2015 - Current)
F80 BMW M3 sedan, F82 BMW M4 coupe and F83 M4 convertible forum. This 5th generation M3 and all new M4 features a 3.0 liter twin turbo engine (engine code S55) 425hp and 406lbs of torque! Heavy use of light weight materials makes this generation lighter and faster then the outgoing E9x M3.

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Old 01-09-2017, 08:57 AM
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I am considering buying an M3, how does BMW handle warranty claims related to track use? Also, I see that the Ultimate Care + program includes expendables like brakes and clutch. Will those be covered for track use as well?

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Old 01-09-2017, 12:28 PM
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I am considering buying an M3, how does BMW handle warranty claims related to track use? Also, I see that the Ultimate Care + program includes expendables like brakes and clutch. Will those be covered for track use as well?



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Generally, this is a tricky area. I have been told that track use is not normal use and they will deny coverage of items with increased wear due to track use, if they can prove it is due to track use. Bring in your m4 with 8k miles and need new brakes will probably result in a denial of coverage. As for warranty, not service, they probably have to cover anything that fails during the 4yr/50k warranty short of an engine overrev.
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Just curious as to when these cars do get tracked, isn't anyone worried about a crash and body damage? Once a car gets wrecked I can't believe it can be set up to be unnoticeable from per-accident shape. Swapping and engine or trans is one thing, but getting the front or rear suspension to be truly tuned like factory new? I don't think so. What about the loss of car value after tracking? Seems like and expensive hobby to me.

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Track related claims won't hunt...forget it dude....
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Just curious as to when these cars do get tracked, isn't anyone worried about a crash and body damage? Once a car gets wrecked I can't believe it can be set up to be unnoticeable from per-accident shape. Swapping and engine or trans is one thing, but getting the front or rear suspension to be truly tuned like factory new? I don't think so. What about the loss of car value after tracking? Seems like and expensive hobby to me.
My Cayman went on track with less than 4,000 miles on it. 2,000 miles were mandatory break in for cars sold in U.S.

All you said is correct, but you missed one big thing - it is not a hobby. It is an addiction, just like serious drugs. Most addicts on hard stuff don't care about consequences, as long as they get high. Same thing here. Anyone telling you differently needs AA (or, better, DA) meeting, they do not know they have a problem

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Just curious as to when these cars do get tracked, isn't anyone worried about a crash and body damage? Once a car gets wrecked I can't believe it can be set up to be unnoticeable from per-accident shape. Swapping and engine or trans is one thing, but getting the front or rear suspension to be truly tuned like factory new? I don't think so. What about the loss of car value after tracking? Seems like and expensive hobby to me.

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Smart people buy track insurance to cover the car for track use. It generally runs a few hundred bucks per instance. However, your other concerns are valid and that is just a risk you take if you track your car.
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Sad to read BMW may deny warranty coverage on track use.

I'm Luis and I'm an addict I do track a less expensive car though (not an F80).

As much as I like the F80, Porsche does have a leg up on us on this once. Many of my track buddies that own P-cars have mentioned Porsche doesn't care if the car is tracked or not for warranty claims.

On track days I MAY see a new M3 or M4 on track; but I will definitely see a myriad of new porsches on track


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Smart people buy track insurance to cover the car for track use. It generally runs a few hundred bucks per instance. However, your other concerns are valid and that is just a risk you take if you track your car.
This. Tracked my E90 M3 several times from 1500 miles through about 55,000, always with track insurance and never had an issue with my dealer denying warranty coverage or scheduled maintenance. In fact, my CA and SA were who I called after my first (only) track incident in the car (covered by track insurance minus the deductible). Both are CCA members/instructors and made great recommendations on bodyshop repair. The bigger issue is whether or not you want to risk such a car at the track at all. Accidents eventually happen if you track enough. Several racers have said "if you can't afford to walk away from the wreck and totally write it off, you should use another car".
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I currently track a c7 z06 z07 manual. It's an absolute monster out there and handily whips just about everything. The issue is that I am going to be in need of four seats shortly. Just trying to get a feel for what I should buy. The new alpha giulia is certainly interesting. I have always liked the way BMWs handle, and I was able to ride on track in an m2 a while back. It was a great car.

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I am considering buying an M3, how does BMW handle warranty claims related to track use? Also, I see that the Ultimate Care + program includes expendables like brakes and clutch. Will those be covered for track use as well?

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Depends on your dealer...some won't care, some will make it difficult. Best to talk to the service manager at the dealer you would use. My dealer made it easy, even wanted to do my track inspection/prep. But BMW has reduced what consumables they will cover in the maintenance program as of 2017 model year.
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I currently track a c7 z06 z07 manual. It's an absolute monster out there and handily whips just about everything. The issue is that I am going to be in need of four seats shortly. Just trying to get a feel for what I should buy. The new alpha giulia is certainly interesting. I have always liked the way BMWs handle, and I was able to ride on track in an m2 a while back. It was a great car.
Right on. When driven properly, those cars (Corvette) are just monsters on the track. It is always amazing to me at what rate of speed they come up on me considering we left Keyhole at roughly same exit speed. Just amazing.

I would invite you to see my signature and warn you against what you are trying to do. We are all different with different sets of priorities, but I spent WAY too much money trying to fix the original mistake when wife put the foot down and wouldn't have third car in the household. Needless to say, some $50-70k later, we do have three cars in the household.

If you already have dedicated sports car, I would strongly suggest to leave it where it is and get an appliance to to seat more than 2 or seat 4 in any semblance of comfort. Seriously, I regretted dearly trying to buy a compromise car that will do daily driver and track instead of adding a thrid car for the track/fun from the get-go. Ended up hating it so much for daily driving first that I got Golf TDI for a daily driver. Then I started hating it on track so I got proper sports car instead. Again, we are all different, so take it for what it is worth ... about $0.02

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Taking a Daily Driver can be a lot of fun and it is a great way to explore the limits of the car in a legal, responsible and safe manner.

Many people that become serious about track driving will eventually get a dedicated track car. What works well on a track does not necessarily work will on the street and a car optimized for the track can be a very unpleasant daily driver (if it is even street legal).

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This black 2008 M3 coupe was brought to us by it’s owner with only 4,600 miles on the clock. He asked us to transform his M3 from a street car into a dedicated track beast, custom built to his needs. It received a TMS fabricated “standard” race/track cage setup, MOTON coilovers, full race exhaust (with cat-delete), software, TMS Power Pulley, carbon fiber roof (car originally had a sunroof with steel panel), Forgeline 18×10***8243; non-staggered race wheels with 275 width Hoosiers, custom built center console, retained iDrive (strictly monitoring engine oil level and other electronic features), BMW Performance Steering wheel, fire extinguishing system, racing harnesses, baseline suspension setup, and many many more features and products. The end result: This M3 is FAR lighter than a standard “street” E92 M3, and benefits from added horsepower and torque over stock. After some track time and dialing in of both the car and driver, this Turner-built E92 M3 will be the ultimate weapon for track days.




A dedicated track car does not have to be super expensive. Cars like Spec Miatas are readily available for under $20,000.
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A dedicated track car does not have to be super expensive. Cars like Spec Miatas are readily available for under $20,000.

There is one extra consideration, though. Non-streetable track car might cost in the range $20-30k but that means buying track storage with membership (large expense usually) or tow vehicle+trailer+storage for the track car and tow vehicle. However you look at it, it ain't gonna be cheap

I do know that a lot of people already own tow vehicle anyway, but I do not. So, it would be a rather expensive track car for me. That is including jewelry or, if jewelry is ignored, divorce as well. Rather expensive, that

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