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F80/F82/F83 M3 and M4 (2015 - Current)
F80 BMW M3 sedan, F82 BMW M4 coupe and F83 M4 convertible forum. This 5th generation M3 and all new M4 features a 3.0 liter twin turbo engine (engine code S55) 425hp and 406lbs of torque! Heavy use of light weight materials makes this generation lighter and faster then the outgoing E9x M3.

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Old 01-31-2017, 05:08 AM
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Pull the trigger on M3/M4 or go to 440i GC?

Hi guys,

I've been going over this forum for the past few months trying to find an answer to my question: should I 'M' or should I stick to a surely very capable 440i?

A bit of background, I live in the city, work from home, most of my driving is done in the evenings (when the city has quietened down a bit) and during the weekends.

I have a few worries before pulling the trigger on the M.

1. It's not really suitable for my current circumstances. I guess everyone tries to find the right package for their situation, so what I'm really asking is if it's not too much car to drive peacefully around town, but sometimes push it a bit on the roads outside town. I have some beautiful mountain roads about an hour away from the city and the beauty is that going 10-20km/h above a speed limit is not punished as harshly as it is over there.

Before you say "go for a test drive", I'll just pause you and say that the dealerships around here only stock 2l diesels for test drives. I have only one other BMW dealership that could potentially help and I'm waiting to hear from them.

2. I got a pretty sweet deal on a lease (big discount from BMW) which makes the monthly payment to be around 1250 euros / month over 5 years, with a 10% downpayment and a 50% residual. That includes all maintenance and taxes over this period. Offer with similar conditions for the 440i is around 950 / month.

Saying that, although the C43 might be better suited to what I need (slightly more sporty than the 4-series, a bit tamed down compared to the M4), its list price with all the extras that I want is very close to the M4 after discount and it looks very unlikely that I'll get a discount similar to what I got from BMW.

Staying on the finance subject, I've looked up what percentage of their monthly income other members are paying for their cars and I was a bit surprised to see such low figures (<10%). Due to the relatively low housing prices over here, you can be in a very nice apartment for roughly 1/2 the monthly cost of the M4. So, even though the lease on the M4 would be around 15% of my monthly income, my other expenses (mortgage, food etc) are quite low anyway, another 10% or so. My business is also growing nicely, so I expect it to become even more affordable in the future, but I'm not factoring that in yet. Anyway, I'm quite young as well, so any advice would be useful in this regard.

3. Ride quality. I currently drive a GTI and I test drove a 420xd with normal suspension. The ride was definitely better than in my GTI, what should I expect from a M4/M3 compared to the 420xd with normal suspension?

Sorry for the long message and for any language mistakes, English is not my first language.

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Old 01-31-2017, 07:21 AM
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The finance part of it is a little hard to quantify for me because you are in a different country. Its hard enough to evaluate that in the US from state to state due to the different costs of living. I made this particular choice, (well it was 435 vs M3).

I chose 435 GC fully loaded vs a "stripped" M3 because I wanted to have a little more of the luxury, the 435 was "fast enough" for me, and the pricing for the M3 would have been significantly more for the same options.

The difference in price you have there is pretty significant (300 euros a month). It does not sound like you are saying that is "nothing" in relation to your finances. I would get the 440 and then tune it if it did not feel fast enough.
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I had a few concerns about my choice of going with an ///M4 to replace my E60 5er, wondering if the car would be a bit to rowdy as a DD. After six months of ownership, I can say definitively that - at least as far as I'm concerned - I am ecstatic with my decision!

The ///M4 is an extremely competent DD, and you can drive it quite comfortably around town. Of course, the top end when you want to flog it is just totally awesome.

Don't sweat the DD aspect. You'll love it.
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I had a few concerns about my choice of going with an ///M4 to replace my E60 5er, wondering if the car would be a bit to rowdy as a DD. After six months of ownership, I can say definitively that - at least as far as I'm concerned - I am ecstatic with my decision!

The ///M4 is an extremely competent DD, and you can drive it quite comfortably around town. Of course, the top end when you want to flog it is just totally awesome.

Don't sweat the DD aspect. You'll love it.
Agreed. The M4 is a very good daily driver and the ride quality with the M Adaptive suspension is far superior to my 2007 335i with sport suspension and RFTs.

The car (M4) is very docile and does not feel high strung at all when being driven in a leisurely fashion.
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:56 PM
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What do you think you need the car for?

If for transportation, divide 1,250 Euro per miles you monthly drive the GTI and see if taxi is cheaper.

If for speed, unless you go to the racetrack, GTI is more than plenty. I said on these forums before that refrigerator white Fiat Punto 1.2 diesel MT with 75 hp I rented maybe three-four years ago put many, many more smiles to my face while I drove it in Northern Italy and Northern Croatia then my E92 335i BMW in U.S. I know you do not live in U.S. and that is exactly the point.

If for image/presentation, spend away and get what you like most.

If for utility for family with kids and/or dogs, nothing beats or out-beasts F31 330d.

See where that goes? Not enough information
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M, it's in a league of its own. More smiles per mile ......
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My M4 is a great DD here in Germany. Although while on home leave back in the US, my wife noticed the road conditions and said "arme BMW" in reference to the roads and how they will treat my M4 when we move back.


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Old 02-02-2017, 07:20 AM
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Ok, so the daily-driver part sounds to be pretty much sorted, it's nice to hear that it's such a versatile car.

Finance-wise, it's a matter of percentages to me. If I decide to go ahead and spend 1000 euros monthly on a car, I might as well pay 30% more and get a car that's probably A LOT better for my particular case. However, I'm trying to find cheaper options to get the M, but it looks like all the lightly used cars that are listed are only a few thousands cheaper than the offer I got for a new one. Very weird.

I'll run all the numbers and see how much I'm paying for the fun. I want a nice daily driver anyway, it's a case of how much extra is the M.
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I have both. I only bought the 440 gc because I have the 30 Jahre M3 and I def didn't want to drive it when the weather turned in NJ. The 440 is a beautiful car however if I had a regular M3 I would have no need for it. The M3 is a fantastic dd and the only time the 440 moves is when I have to pack up the hockey equipment or the weather is crappy.


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I have both. I only bought the 440 gc because I have the 30 Jahre M3 and I def didn't want to drive it when the weather turned in NJ. The 440 is a beautiful car however if I had a regular M3 I would have no need for it. The M3 is a fantastic dd and the only time the 440 moves is when I have to pack up the hockey equipment or the weather is crappy.


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Winter tires kind of do it for me. I live in Bavaria and it's been pretty wintery here.


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Ride quality. I currently drive a GTI and I test drove a 420xd with normal suspension. The ride was definitely better than in my GTI, what should I expect from a M4/M3 compared to the 420xd with normal suspension?

Hugely better handling; limits much farther out. Eager engine. Comfort.

420xd most often seen in rear view or quickly moving there.

GTI's a good car, but no M3/4.

Oh, and the ladies love a M4 man....big time....poor GTI just can't compete....





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Oh, and the ladies love a M4 man....big time....poor GTI just can't compete....





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Yes, I've had a few interesting responses driving through city centers here in Germany , even with my wife riding shotgun.


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Old 02-05-2017, 06:41 PM
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Just went from 335 to M4

I just upgraded from a 335i convertible (2011) to an M4 convertible (2016). Now, I loved my 335i, and it was great for nearly 7 years... but make no mistake, the M4 IS an upgrade, and feels like one in every aspect. It is my daily driver as well, and after a month, I couldn't be happier. It DOES feel different, and I do feel clearly that it is a LOT of car, there is more power than I was used to. Fit and finish was very good on 335i, superb on M4. Tightness, precision... all the things that you think are going to be true of an M4, ARE true.

One surprise to me is that the city mileage to and from work on the M4 is significantly better than my 335i, 20-21 mpg vs. 15-16. Highway is a little lower, but still 28-29 mpg on M4, vs. 32-33 for 335i.

I got mine as a CPO with only 5000 miles; had only been driven 4 months, turned in off a lease, and had nearly 3-1/2 years left on new car warranty. Price was significantly reduced, especially for a convertible in January that had been sitting, LOL.

Can't speak to the finances of OP's situation, but I can say that you will likely love the M3/M4 if you do it, and if you don't, you will probably love the 440, so there is no bad choice here.

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Here's an M3 that may sway your decision... http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...&modelCode1=M3
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Had the '12 335 (which I only kept because I added Dinan's Shockware to the adaptive sport suspension). Four years later, '17 M3. The M3 is a fine daily machine, if you select those settings. For the times you head up into your mountains, there would be no comparison; M.
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:55 AM
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I might go for a quick city break in Munich before I order the car. BMW Welt rents M3s for 150 euros for a whole day. I think that might be worth it, even if just for the fun of driving an M for a whole day.

As most of you said, no matter what I get, it will feel like a huge upgrade compared to my GTI (Mk5). Problem is that, after having considered the M, it kinda feels like a compromise to get the 4-series. That city break in Munich will probably seal it for me.
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I might go for a quick city break in Munich before I order the car. BMW Welt rents M3s for 150 euros for a whole day. I think that might be worth it, even if just for the fun of driving an M for a whole day.

As most of you said, no matter what I get, it will feel like a huge upgrade compared to my GTI (Mk5). Problem is that, after having considered the M, it kinda feels like a compromise to get the 4-series. That city break in Munich will probably seal it for me.
Go big, or go home........there is no other choice than M......

you will have buyer's remorse if you got the 440i knowing that just for a little bit more, you could have gotten an awesome daily driver that at the switch of a Button (M1/M2) the cars turns into a beast....
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Lots of people do not drive in a way that an M will benefit, so then why pay for it? Just so people around you know you are in an M? I can guarantee you most don't even know what an M is. I would ask myself do I use the car as it was designed? I can tell you in the near 2 years I've owned my car I have not taken the drives I thought I would up into the country to really use the car. I have but not as frequently as I thought. I do not ring the cars neck either, so honestly I would have had fun with a tuned 440 also... Of course I would ditch the run flats before it ever left the dealer.
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Oh, and the ladies love a M4 man....big time....poor GTI just can't compete....





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One of my co-workers was a former stripper turned mathematician... The UberMILF.

I pulled into the parking lot one day in my M3. She was walking between buildings and came over to look at the car. She jumped into the drivers seat, starting turning the steering wheel back and forth and started bouncing in the seat, sort of like a kid would do. Then she asked me if it was fast.

"Yeah, but the best thing about it is that it's a babe magnet."

She turned the M oval rear view mirror towards herself, fluffed her hair, and said "Yes, it is."

Even the militant tree hugging, socialist secretary liked my M3.


So, in conclusion.. buy the M4.
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