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What is the purpose for the ccv?
Back in the days before anybody worried about air pollution, cars just vented their crankcase vapors right into the atmosphere. Later on, engineers came up with the PCV valve, which gave a higher level of emissions control. Most PCV valves were simple, inexpensive, and easy to replace.

BMW, of course, had to show the world that they could devise their own version, and in typical German fashion, constructed it in the most difficult way humanly possible, and then stuck it way up underneath the intake, so you would need hands like a 6 year-old child or a Spider Monkey to get to it. (Don`t ask WHY....that`s just the way they are....)

Theoretically, at least, the BMW CVV should work quite effectively (the valve itself separates the vapors, which are returned to the combustion chamber, and the liquid oil gets directed back down to the sump). All of this is assuming that the system functions properly.But, all the plastic parts and hoses become brittle with age, and tend to crack and leak.

Failure of the CVV (which is pretty much inevitable) leads to oil being mis-directed into the intake, leading to excessive oil consumption and smoking. Not a pretty story.
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And burning excessive amounts of oil will foul the catalytic converters.
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Thank you! So a delete won't hurt the car then?
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Thank you! So a delete won't hurt the car then?
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Quick question I find it hard to get any awnser when I post so sorry to use yours but I have 2006 BMW 325ix and it either needs a new head gasket or cvv any idea whitch one would cost more to have fixed?
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Quick question I find it hard to get any awnser when I post so sorry to use yours but I have 2006 BMW 325ix and it either needs a new head gasket or cvv any idea whitch one would cost more to have fixed?
Also, your car is an E90, this is the E46 Forum. The cars are significantly different....Try the E90 Forum.
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I put this post up a little while ago so hopefully you can help me.

Hello everyone! I have read the CCV post before and am going to use it as an amazing guide, I have another car so am going to start this today and take my time.

Symptoms: last year around October (it has sat in the driveway since) after I replaced the starter which went out and had to take out the intake manifold dice the bolts stripped and I couldn't get it out from under the car after I got it running it was chugging like a train. I drove it around for quite a while thinking it was nothing but after a couple hundred miles it stayed the same. It only chugged hard on idle when I was stopped somewhere but once I got it going, especially like highway speed or something the car seemed perfectly fine. I got it smoke tested by a friend and he told me he saw smoke come out but didn't know exactly where but with the symptoms I gave and the things I did to my car he said I should replace the CCV.


My questions are: since I am going to do this, what else should I replace around the same area or if anything else could cause the issue what could it be or what should I replace?


Work done to car: replaced fuel pump and fuel filter. New starter. 4 out of 6 coil packs died and replaced. New Bosch plugs. (All last year).

Hopefully you guys can give me some insight and a little help! Thank you!
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If you`re not capable of doing diagnostic work yourself (or any friends), you`re gonna have to take it somewhere that knows these cars inside out. Here`s two fairly local to you, that have generated good reviews in the past:

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https://maximumpsi.com/
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I'm almost done with the CVV. Thanks so much to this guide it wasn't as bad as I thought. Just one question right now:

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Does anyone know where this hose that's right in the middle of the screen connects to? I connected the Cvv lit up and even put back the throttle body and forgot about this piece and have no idea where it goes. It has one of those squish tabs on the top left of the screen and its slipped to the car itself near the bottom right. This is all I need to finish this project up. Lmao. Thanks!
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I put this post up a little while ago so hopefully you can help me.



Hello everyone! I have read the CCV post before and am going to use it as an amazing guide, I have another car so am going to start this today and take my time.



Symptoms: last year around October (it has sat in the driveway since) after I replaced the starter which went out and had to take out the intake manifold dice the bolts stripped and I couldn't get it out from under the car after I got it running it was chugging like a train. I drove it around for quite a while thinking it was nothing but after a couple hundred miles it stayed the same. It only chugged hard on idle when I was stopped somewhere but once I got it going, especially like highway speed or something the car seemed perfectly fine. I got it smoke tested by a friend and he told me he saw smoke come out but didn't know exactly where but with the symptoms I gave and the things I did to my car he said I should replace the CCV.





My questions are: since I am going to do this, what else should I replace around the same area or if anything else could cause the issue what could it be or what should I replace?





Work done to car: replaced fuel pump and fuel filter. New starter. 4 out of 6 coil packs died and replaced. New Bosch plugs. (All last year).



Hopefully you guys can give me some insight and a little help! Thank you!

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Sounds to me like some sort of vacuum leak! There are a few vacuum lines underneath the intake that are prone to cracking from heat cycle and age. I would certainly try to replace all (a good preventative maintenance) since some, if not all, are probably leaking after your previous engine work.

Replacing hoses are fairly cheap and a great way to introduce (some) lost power to your vehicle!
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I was wondering if the CCV doesn't last that long and is hard to remove/replace why just relocate it outside of the intake manifold by using longer hoses? I think it's way better than using catch can or isn't?





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I was wondering if the CCV doesn't last that long and is hard to remove/replace why just relocate it outside of the intake manifold by using longer hoses? I think it's way better than using catch can or isn't?





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No, it`s not better....the CVV is the answer to a question that never should have been asked in the first place. "In a perfect world", it might work OK, but this is far from a perfect world....
is this like a design only for the e46 (or any m54 engine)? were the new models still has this over engineered design ?




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The crappy design rears its ugly head when it's installed in the 3 liter M54 engine (M54B30). Why? This engine, and only this engine, has low tension oil control rings (LTOCRs). All other M54 engines-2 liter and 2.5 liter-have standard oil control rings.

Why does the M54B30 engine have LTOCRs? Fuel economy is the accepted reason. The problem is that LTOCRs require a constant and consistent crankcase vacuum. The CCV is supposed to provide that vacuum. While the CCV is apparently ok for the other engines, it's inadequate for the M54B30 engine. Hence, these engines burn oil.

I believe this CCV design is common to the M52 and M54 engines only. However, the only M54B30 engine has the LTOCRs. That's why the CCV needs to be replaced with an oil catch can. It works, relatively inexpensive and easily installed system.

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My guess would be that the lines are not sealed well. It should be sealed tight. If it is indeed water vapor it could be too much blow by gasses that contain water vapor as a natural part of hydrocarbon burning byproduct. My guess is that it is not actually water vapor.
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Is this why i 325's go through catalytic converters?
I live in CA and smog testing is a big deal will this effect my smog test?
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Hello all! Might be a dumb question but I own a 2003 bmw z4. I was wondering if this mod would work for me. I still have the same m54b25 engine, I just don't have power steering like you guys.

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Hello all! Might be a dumb question but I own a 2003 bmw z4. I was wondering if this mod would work for me. I still have the same m54b25 engine, I just don't have power steering like you guys.

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Ccv deletes are basically changing out the "badly" engineered pcv system on all BMWs with a regular pcv valve, which you can place somewhere easy to get for future maintenance and parts are way cheaper, and having a perfectly sealed catch can to catch the oil that would otherwise drain bad into the intake manifold and causing trouble. Some cars have a drain back system, where you could purchase or modify any catch can to have this hose fixed to the bottom, then attaching it to the dip stick drain back tube...

Problem is the pcv, you need one that is calibrated to open at certain pressure. We are all taking the word of someone else here, because they say it works for them, then a few years later they sell the car, we can learn little from the longevity of this particular person's opinion.

Not all BMWs have the same manifold pressure and vacuum designs. So each car would have a different pcv. This is where you need to do research... Some. People just put a breather on the F-connector they install on the oil catch can. Here, not having a calibrated pcv is less of problem, but not perfect.

If you have an oil consumption problem, significant oil loss between changes, then this catch can w/breather filter system would help any car. Then you can buy a little time until you find the right PCV

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in reply to Fast Bobs remarks on non vacuum crankcase setup ....I have M52TU 323i and have just replaced the CCV with oil catch can but have had massive problems sealing up the valve cover...firstly did a smoke test and found a crack in the valve cover so replaced it with a new cover(had to take out a loan to pay for it) but still am having trouble with vacuum leak only when cold ..... I partly undid oil filler cap but still had a seal there and noise goes away .new cover comes with .new seals allround ...so tried sealer and was ok for a day and next morning there was a vacuum leak but with smoke test nothing leaking ...so now I am thinking ..keep the oil catch can ..blank the vacuum to distribution rail .and fit the vacuum hose with PCV valve onto the air box before the filter...so it would be the hose from the valve cover into inlet on catch can and the outlet from catch can to airbox with PCV valve ..so what does everyone think of this idea ...any feedback would be great ...ok one thing after motor is turned off there is still a great vacuum when the dipstick is remover so there are no airleaks ....maybe might be vacuum from ICV seal

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The crappy design rears its ugly head when it's installed in the 3 liter M54 engine (M54B30). Why? This engine, and only this engine, has low tension oil control rings (LTOCRs). All other M54 engines-2 liter and 2.5 liter-have standard oil control rings.

Why does the M54B30 engine have LTOCRs? Fuel economy is the accepted reason. The problem is that LTOCRs require a constant and consistent crankcase vacuum. The CCV is supposed to provide that vacuum. While the CCV is apparently ok for the other engines, it's inadequate for the M54B30 engine. Hence, these engines burn oil.

I believe this CCV design is common to the M52 and M54 engines only. However, the only M54B30 engine has the LTOCRs. That's why the CCV needs to be replaced with an oil catch can. It works, relatively inexpensive and easily installed system.
Not all M54B30's use oil so I wonder how much this actually holds true.

All M54 3.0's have the same CCV but not all burn oil.

Explain that one.
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