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it could be the seatbelt you are wearing.
Why would the seat belt cause a fluttering sound with the top up and windows up??

I'm interested in this issue since I'm picking my e93 up in one month. I heard someone talking about a similar issue a few months back, but I think they were hearing a whistling or something, and attributed it to the top not closing completely/tightly. This sounds different to me.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:52 PM
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Why would the seat belt cause a fluttering sound with the top up and windows up??

I'm interested in this issue since I'm picking my e93 up in one month. I heard someone talking about a similar issue a few months back, but I think they were hearing a whistling or something, and attributed it to the top not closing completely/tightly. This sounds different to me.
ooh, I thought he said top down.
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I noticed this once on the highway, but I haven't noticed it again. For what it's worth, it went away in the middle of my drive.

It definitely seems like a pressure problem as I can feel it in my ears. Maybe the alignment of the top gets tweaked somehow so a small space opens up, and then going over another bump or cycling the top causes it to fall back into place?
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:05 PM
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have you guys tried holding the button up a little longer when putting the top up?? It might be that you haven't completed the process fully.
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testing 1 2 3. Ok lets try this again. A few mornings back in early June as I was driving in to work at about 50mph I heard a rumbling noise coming from what I thought was the driver's side rear wheel/tire. After about 1/4 it was gone. This happened twice; the first time this happened the car had been sitting in the garage for two to three days. The second time this happen the early morning temps were below the average temps for early June. It is almost as if the run flat tire had a flat spot and after it warmed up the rumbling noise was gone. The weather here has since warmed up and no problem with the rumbling noise.
That would be the mother f#$#))Q run flat tires.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:34 AM
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I have been driving top up, windows up and have not experienced this issue. Just thought I'd report back on my experience. Good luck finding it out and if you do please let us all know.

BTW, did you notice this sound from the beginning of ownership? How many miles do you have on the car... Not that any of that may matter.
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I have made sure that the top is up all the way and I know this because then the windows close and the light in the console goes away. I have had this since I had about 500 miles. Whatever it is it is getting worst so I think it may tire related. It is begining to irritate my ears. It is almost making such a wonderful car a true pain to drive... I have an appointment with Reeves BMW Monday for that and the Ipod issue. I am a bit dissapointed in BMW. THey are supposed to do all this research and then all these problems. I recently had a Nissan Z that had all kinds of guizmos as well and in its 24,000miles NOTHING ever gave me a problem, not even a rattle as my BMW already does at 2500 miles ! What saves this thing is just how beautiful it is and how amazing it is to drive (without the noise). Please if anyone finds out why, let me know. I print these things and show my dealer (I did for the Ipod) and then they can't say that you are crazy. Stinger, get on a quiet country road with smooth pavement and do 55 mph and all the windows up and no radio. Let me know

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Old 07-22-2007, 09:25 AM
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I tried driving at 55, top and windows up. Could not duplicate the sound that I heard in SC when car still had the RFTs. I think swapping tires may have eliminated the sound but need to confirm a few more times.
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I tried driving at 55, top and windows up. Could not duplicate the sound that I heard in SC when car still had the RFTs. I think swapping tires may have eliminated the sound but need to confirm a few more times.

Why did you change the run flat tires? How many miles on your car? Thanks
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Why haven't you. Run flats give the SH!++!EST ride EVER.
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Three reasons:

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I have not replaced mine because I just bought my car NEW and new cars usually do not need tires when you buy them NEW. I do not ordinarily replace new tires Eric. However, that being said, if that is the fix for the Fluttering noise then I sure will spend the money... it is worth it. I was asking Rmorin49 only because I assumed it was a brand new car and still had life left in it. It was a question not an attack so relax. How many miles when you replaced the tires Colonel? Did you do it because of the ride and the fluttering noise or were they worn out at a particular mileage? The cost I understand if they were to replace worn out tires however I assume your car had new tires still. Any help I would appreciate before I spend the money. Thanks !

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I have not replaced mine because I just bought my car NEW and new cars usually do not need tires when you buy them NEW. I do not ordinarily replace new tires Eric. However, that being said, if that is the fix for the Fluttering noise then I sure will spend the money... it is worth it. I was asking Rmorin49 only because I assumed it was a brand new car and still had life left in it. It was a question not an attack so relax. How many miles when you replaced the tires Colonel? Did you do it because of the ride and the fluttering noise or were they worn out at a particular mileage? The cost I understand if they were to replace worn out tires however I assume your car had new tires still. Any help I would appreciate before I spend the money. Thanks !
I replaced them immediately after driving home from the PC in SC. They had less than 500 miles on them.
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I replaced them immediately after driving home from the PC in SC. They had less than 500 miles on them.
Because i was changing wheels also. I do know understand people who pay 50K plus for a car and will put up with a SH!++y ride for a year or two until the run flats are bald. You will put up with that when the fix is (if you keep the wheels) less than 1K.
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I replaced them immediately after driving home from the PC in SC. They had less than 500 miles on them.
Because i was changing wheels also. I do not understand people who pay 50K plus for a car and will put up with a SH!++y ride for a year or two until the run flats are bald. You will put up with that when the fix is (if you keep the wheels) less than 1K.
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Because i was changing wheels also. I do not understand people who pay 50K plus for a car and will put up with a SH!++y ride for a year or two until the run flats are bald. You will put up with that when the fix is (if you keep the wheels) less than 1K.
Don't mind the hard ride, just cannot stand the vibration and fluttering. Did yours go away after the rims/tires Eric ? I actually like the wheels and do not mind spending for the tires if that will actually take care of the problem. Thanks
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Don't mind the hard ride, just cannot stand the vibration and fluttering. Did yours go away after the rims/tires Eric ? I actually like the wheels and do not mind spending for the tires if that will actually take care of the problem. Thanks
And i don't have the feeling like I just cracked the rim when i hit a pot hole either.
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And i don't have the feeling like I just cracked the rim when i hit a pot hole either.
Boy oh boy - you got THAT right!
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And i don't have the feeling like I just cracked the rim when i hit a pot hole either.
what brand / model tires. My car is at the dealer for the Ipod thing that I had to tell them the solution as well...
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what brand / model tires. My car is at the dealer for the Ipod thing that I had to tell them the solution as well...
Hi Alex,
Im the tech working on your beautiful E93 at Reeves. Though you think you had to tell me the solution on fixing your car, if you read the bulletin you provided and read the PUMA case that I went back and forth with BMW NA about, they specifically told me your ULF is good as your ULF's production date was after the defective ones. The ones listed in the bulletin states the dates up to and including March 7th 2007. The production date of your ULF is March 19th 2007

I am totally not trying to shoo you out the door with could not duplicate stories. I was well aware of the I-pod switching to FM issue before you brought your car in the first time. As stated on the R/O's, there was no fix for it at that time so I couldnt do anything do it. So with that information stated, I wrote back to BMW NA yesterday and they told me to do an I-pod reset (which I think has absolutely nothing to do with it) and trial fit a known good M-ULF. The new known good ULF is currently in your vehicle and the vehicle is getting programmed. It should be done in the morning. After that I will see how it works with both your i-pod and mine.

As for your "fluttering" concern. the last time it was here, the complaint on the R/O made it seem like the engine/drivetrain was fluttering. Which is why I concluded that it was normal turbo operation. Simple miscommunication there. I was told yesterday that you and the service advisor went on a road test and were not able to duplicate the concern. I then drove the vehicle up i-275 and was able to notice what you were talking about.. It's more of a muffled type vibration in your ears.

The service manger road tested your vehicle yesterday as well then sent your car to the alignment shop for an alignment. I do not do tire/alignment work, we have guys that do that part. From the printout attached to the R/O, it looks like your toe was out of spec so they adjusted that. I then showed the service manager the alignment sheet and asked what he wants to do and he said we'll see how it is now with the toe adjusted (pretty much means ship the car back to the customer).

If you take your palm and rub the outer tread of your front tires you can feel that it was wearing unevenly from the toe being out of spec. Unfortunately I myself cannot do anything for you about that as it is up to the service manager.

I think the service advisor has told you I personally have a 335i as well and with that said I am by no means against you. Let's hope this programming goes well and the I-pod works in the morning
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Im the tech working on your beautiful E93 at Reeves. Though you think you had to tell me the solution on fixing your car, if you read the bulletin you provided and read the PUMA case that I went back and forth with BMW NA about, they specifically told me your ULF is good as your ULF's production date was after the defective ones. The ones listed in the bulletin states the dates up to and including March 7th 2007. The production date of your ULF is March 19th 2007

I am totally not trying to shoo you out the door with could not duplicate stories. I was well aware of the I-pod switching to FM issue before you brought your car in the first time. As stated on the R/O's, there was no fix for it at that time so I couldnt do anything do it. So with that information stated, I wrote back to BMW NA yesterday and they told me to do an I-pod reset (which I think has absolutely nothing to do with it) and trial fit a known good M-ULF. The new known good ULF is currently in your vehicle and the vehicle is getting programmed. It should be done in the morning. After that I will see how it works with both your i-pod and mine.

As for your "fluttering" concern. the last time it was here, the complaint on the R/O made it seem like the engine/drivetrain was fluttering. Which is why I concluded that it was normal turbo operation. Simple miscommunication there. I was told yesterday that you and the service advisor went on a road test and were not able to duplicate the concern. I then drove the vehicle up i-275 and was able to notice what you were talking about.. It's more of a muffled type vibration in your ears.

The service manger road tested your vehicle yesterday as well then sent your car to the alignment shop for an alignment. I do not do tire/alignment work, we have guys that do that part. From the printout attached to the R/O, it looks like your toe was out of spec so they adjusted that. I then showed the service manager the alignment sheet and asked what he wants to do and he said we'll see how it is now with the toe adjusted (pretty much means ship the car back to the customer).

If you take your palm and rub the outer tread of your front tires you can feel that it was wearing unevenly from the toe being out of spec. Unfortunately I myself cannot do anything for you about that as it is up to the service manager.

I think the service advisor has told you I personally have a 335i as well and with that said I am by no means against you. Let's hope this programming goes well and the I-pod works in the morning
Thank you for replying this way and making it more pernonable. BEFORE I picked up the car I asked to make sure the balancing was OK and I was told it was checked and balanced. I, two days after picking up the car, stopped by and talked to Mike (at the time he was an advisor) and he came out, tried another connector and did not work for the Ipod. I also told him the car had a shimmy and the alignement was off. I was told to bring it back @ 1200 miles. When I brought it back for the alignment and balancing and then was told by Jason I had to pay for it but it "performed to specs." I even explained the noise, you are right in your description of it as well... Perhaps it was miscommunication. At least you heard it. What I expect now is sincelery new tires. Tires do not "unfeather" themselves overnight and @ $60K I am not accepting it. They did tell me you were a 335 Enthusiast so I felt great which is why the "explanation" of the noise was a bit baffling. Maybe it was miscommunication. I love Jason (advisor) as he was my advisor all the way when he worked @ Audi. I hope you undertand that it is a great deal of money for a car, that I DID inform the SVC department of the issue and was then told I had to pay for it. Now it turns out there was a problem and I now have deffective tires due to it. As the IPOD was concerned, at least at my end, I felt that no-one knew what to do. That you started a PUMA but I had to follow up on it which is what I was trying to do, not to insult you. I was trying to provide you / Jason with information as to what other people and dealers had found NOT to tell you what to do. I guess I am a bit deffensive since I recently had an Mercedes SLK 55 AMG and I was at the dealership 27 times in 19 months. Looks like you know your stuff so I'll back off. Just do not want to get screwed. Thanks for the post.
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Looks like your i-pod concern is fixed

Ill tell BMW NA to update that bulletin they currently have as your ULF production date was out of the dates listed and still defective...
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Looks like your i-pod concern is fixed

Ill tell BMW NA to update that bulletin they currently have as your ULF production date was out of the dates listed and still defective...
To 1clean335i, my tech at Reeves BMW....I wanted to publicly thank you even though we have been in contact. It just made sense that it would be the same issue even though it was out of dates. Thanks for persisting. Nice job !!!!!!
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