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X5 F15 (2014 - Current)
The all new F15 BMW X5 started production August 2013 as a 2014 model year. The new X5 arrives in sDrive35i (RWD), xDrive35i, xDrive50i and a diesel xDrive 35d.

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Old 11-18-2016, 08:53 AM
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I just swapped a 2014 X5 for a 2017. The steering on the 2017 feels much different - overboosted and it doesn't track back to center very well. Has anyone else noticed this? I am comparing apples to appease because the 2014 was the new version of the X5 so wondering if BMW changed or Adjusted the system. Thanks!
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Is your new one the exact same as your old one? Even the tires?
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Old 11-18-2016, 09:03 PM
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This is my first BMW X5 so cannot compare it to older model, but I was disappointed by the steering (was driving GTI before this). It does feel over boosted, But I do not have any complains regarding tracking back to center. Often I am tempted to switch to sport mode.
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I just swapped a 2014 X5 for a 2017. The steering on the 2017 feels much different - overboosted and it doesn't track back to center very well. Has anyone else noticed this? I am comparing apples to appease because the 2014 was the new version of the X5 so wondering if BMW changed or Adjusted the system. Thanks!
I recently rented a 2016 X5 XDrive. I have not driven an X5 before but I did notice the steering was very light. Vehicle tracked very well and I noticed no centering issues.

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Old 11-19-2016, 04:48 AM
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I cannot compare to earlier F15's but it's light and not typical BMW steering on my 2017 X5. Steering on prior X5s was certainly better but they also had hydrolic steering vs the electric steering on the F15.
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Everyone is talking about the previous gen steering better, but we all know that lol OP is asking about any changes from 2014 to 2017 because that even feels different to him.

I have only driven an '09 335i several years ago before I just got my '16 X5. I like the way it drives, it's still really nice and feels good but I was shocked that the steering was light, not that sensitive (M Sport with 20" summer tires) and not much feel for on center. I still love it, and it does drive better than the majority of crossover/suvs out there but I was also disappointed that it didn't feel like a traditional BMW.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:15 AM
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I had a 14 35d WITHOUT active steering and noticed it felt overboosted/overly-sensitive at times on highway.
I recently traded my 15 50i WITH active steering and the steering was much better than both the 14 35d and my current xDrive 35i WITHOUT active steering. I wonder if something was changed between the years in software or hardware?
The 16 35i feels way more sensitive than the 14 35d I had. Again, the 'best' balance IMHO was my 15 50i with active steering.
Interestingly enough, Active Steering was discontinued for all MY17 F15s. Something sounds fishy!!! I haven't driven a 17 yet.
All 3 of my F15's had M Sport with 20s. There were different tires though. 14 35d had Bridgestone RFT I believe. The 15 50i had Dunlop RFT. My 16 35i has Conti RFT.
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I don't know how we can quantify this but I just picked up a 2017 X5 xDrive35i with DHP and 469M 20" on Pirelli P-zeros (got lucky on the tires). And they track relatively well at highway speeds, don't feel over boosted, and isn't overly sensitive. I was very concerned about this and was ready to change tires, fix alignment, etc. immediately during delivery if I had to deal with it. Turns out not the case.

2017 X5 xDrive35i on 20" Pirelli P-Zero RFT w/ DHP. low feedback, moderately boosted, good feeling, very precise, moderately sensitive
Compared to the following:
- 2008 335i on 18" Sport Package. Very typical BMW hydraulic steering. lots of feedback, under boosted, decent feel, Not as precise as M4 steering or 17 X5 at low or high speeds, moderately sensitive.
- 2013 X5 xDrive35i on 19" Bridgestone RFT with base suspension (daily driver for 3 years), felt like any BMW hydraulic steering. lots of feedback, under boosted, decent feel, numb compared to the electric steering in today's F-series BMWs, not very sensitive.
- 2015 X5 xDrive35i on 19" Conti RFT w/ base suspension w/o DDC (loaner), low feedback, felt over boosted/overly sensitive at 75+mph, no feeling numb but precise.
- 2016 X5 sDrive35i on 19" Conti RFT w/ base suspension w/o DDC (loaner), also felt over boosted/overly sensitive at 75+mph, no feeling numb but precise.
- 2015 M4, obviously also electric steering but didn't feel significantly better than my 2017 X5 in regards to steering feel, steering precision, etc. Just different and much more sensitive. Steering can be much heavier when in sport+ setting.

You guys worried about this? Try driving Audi Q5 or Mercedes GLE.
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Yeah mine isn't that sensitive or boosted... I was actually disappointed that it wasn't very sensitive.
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I don't know how we can quantify this but I just picked up a 2017 X5 xDrive35i with DHP and 469M 20" on Pirelli P-zeros (got lucky on the tires). And they track relatively well at highway speeds, don't feel over boosted, and isn't overly sensitive. I was very concerned about this and was ready to change tires, fix alignment, etc. immediately during delivery if I had to deal with it. Turns out not the case.

2017 X5 xDrive35i on 20" Pirelli P-Zero RFT w/ DHP. low feedback, moderately boosted, good feeling, very precise, moderately sensitive (like an M4)
Perhaps the DHP has something to do with it? None of my F15's were equipped with that. No dealer brings those in as stock to even test drive. I hear the $4.5K price tag is somewhat justified, but as fast as I flip them, that would be probably $4K with zero return on resale. That's why I've never ordered. Plus the dealers play the idiotic game of not giving you a value for your trade until the new car arrives anyhow.
I will say; out of the 25+ lux cars I've owned, this 16 X5 with the conti RFT is the SMOOTHEST vehicle I have EVER owned. Zero: chassis, drivetrain, or tire vibration. Whereas my 15 50i was plagued with drivetrain and tire vibrations.
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Yeah mine isn't that sensitive or boosted... I was actually disappointed that it wasn't very sensitive.
What wheels/tires is your F15 equipped with, if you don't mind me asking?
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You guys worried about this? Try driving Audi Q5 or Mercedes GLE.
I test drove the GLE when it was ML in 13 and 14; twice, but could never pull the trigger. I didn't find it had a wander or overly sensitive at hwy speeds, it just feel dull, boring, and the interior looked like it was made in circa 2000 with all those goofy buttons on the dash (i.e. cell phone numbers) and the Infotainment screen size was awfully small, along with crappy seats lacking any real support IMHO. Nice looking car though, just felt more like it was built for cruising than driving.
Drove an SQ5 and ALMOST pulled the trigger but both Audi dealers in Southern NV are TERRIBLE to deal with and wanted MSRP. I didn't find that steering overly sensitive for MY2015 - my biggest pet peeve was the rather small size. That SQ5 was also equipped with 21s. I laughed walking out the door and went to BMW to purchase my first F15.
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Perhaps the DHP has something to do with it? None of my F15's were equipped with that. No dealer brings those in as stock to even test drive. I hear the $4.5K price tag is somewhat justified, but as fast as I flip them, that would be probably $4K with zero return on resale. That's why I've never ordered. Plus the dealers play the idiotic game of not giving you a value for your trade until the new car arrives anyhow.
I will say; out of the 25+ lux cars I've owned, this 16 X5 with the conti RFT is the SMOOTHEST vehicle I have EVER owned. Zero: chassis, drivetrain, or tire vibration. Whereas my 15 50i was plagued with drivetrain and tire vibrations.
I would be surprised if it is DHP as the X5 stays extremely flat on turns. Though I think it is the tires more so than the suspension setup?

I was really hoping for the Pirellis to be put on and I got lucky this time.
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I have a 2016 M Sport w/ 20" Pirelli P Zero RFT
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I would be surprised if it is DHP as the X5 stays extremely flat on turns. Though I think it is the tires more so than the suspension setup?

I was really hoping for the Pirellis to be put on and I got lucky this time.
Maybe it IS the Pirellis. I have heard they are harsher on comfort and wear quicker than others, but better in handling, etc. Out of all 3 of my F15s, none were equipped with the Pirellis. I changed the Dunlops out on the 15 50i at 21,000 miles for 20" staggered Conti ExtremeContact DWS06 and they rode like absolute crap and were the noisiest tires I'd ever owned, but they handled alot better. Probably because they were not RFT.
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I have a 2016 M Sport w/ 20" Pirelli P Zero RFT
Interesting. You and the other commentator above also have Pirellis, and others without Pirelli's seem to be having more of the wandering/overly sensitive steering. I'm currently at 12,000 miles and contemplating what to do when I hit 20k miles. I definitely do NOT want the Conti ExtremeContact DWS06 again. The RFT don't handle well, but they are definitely ALOT smoother on the F15s. The RFT are also way more $ for 1/2 the treadwear. My service department warned me about that when removing the RFT, but I didn't believe them. They were right! Plus, you'd think the RFT would actually be a more harsh ride since they have the stiffer sidewall for the RF protection. Who knows. I had nothing but problems with the DWS06 as well with them road force balancing/match-mounting with them being way out of spec and had to have the sets replaced twice, before I got some that were close enough within tolerance. Never could get a full set that were at; or under, tolerance. I got 1 that was just below, and 3 that were just above spec. But, that 15 50i did have Active Steering and was much more of a pleasure to drive when considering the road holding ability and steering.
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Interesting. You and the other commentator above also have Pirellis, and others without Pirelli's seem to be having more of the wandering/overly sensitive steering. I'm currently at 12,000 miles and contemplating what to do when I hit 20k miles. I definitely do NOT want the Conti ExtremeContact DWS06 again. The RFT don't handle well, but they are definitely ALOT smoother on the F15s. The RFT are also way more $ for 1/2 the treadwear. My service department warned me about that when removing the RFT, but I didn't believe them. They were right! Plus, you'd think the RFT would actually be a more harsh ride since they have the stiffer sidewall for the RF protection. Who knows. I had nothing but problems with the DWS06 as well with them road force balancing/match-mounting with them being way out of spec and had to have the sets replaced twice, before I got some that were close enough within tolerance. Never could get a full set that were at; or under, tolerance. I got 1 that was just below, and 3 that were just above spec. But, that 15 50i did have Active Steering and was much more of a pleasure to drive when considering the road holding ability and steering.
Hence why I always advised people to stay away from DWS and the new DWS06. Always out of round in my experience. I have a 2015 X5d with the 19 inch and I put on Michelin Premier LTX tires and they are all perfectly smooth and under 8 lbs road force and a lot smoother then the run flats.
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Hence why I always advised people to stay away from DWS and the new DWS06. Always out of round in my experience. I have a 2015 X5d with the 19 inch and I put on Michelin Premier LTX tires and they are all perfectly smooth and under 8 lbs road force and a lot smoother then the run flats.
Agreed! I currently have 29,000 miles on my factory Continental RFT tires. They still have tread left for another 5k according to the dealer. I'm shocked at the smooth ride of these tires and longevity, esp for the treadwear rating and being a RFT! Such a stark contrast between the all season DWS06 non-rft and the factory Continental RFT - hated those miserable/noisy DWS06!!!.
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Agreed! I currently have 29,000 miles on my factory Continental RFT tires. They still have tread left for another 5k according to the dealer. I'm shocked at the smooth ride of these tires and longevity, esp for the treadwear rating and being a RFT! Such a stark contrast between the all season DWS06 non-rft and the factory Continental RFT - hated those miserable/noisy DWS06!!!.
I change factory Goodyear LS2 run flats to Conti DWS06 non-run flats on my G30 540ix (19 inch wheels) and my experience is extremely positive with the DWS06. Noise level is greatly improved and the LS2 used to transmit every single road bump with a crash - very annoying! The DWS06 are very smooth and completely transformed the car. I do have DDC and a spare tire.

My wife X5 (19 inch tires) came with Michelin run-flats and I do not like them. Noisy, crash on pot-holes and bumps (not as bad as the LS2, but almost as bad). Currently at 25k miles and have more tread. Maybe Conti RFT are better but the only thing I do not love about the X5 are these Michelin run-flat tires.
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I change factory Goodyear LS2 run flats to Conti DWS06 non-run flats on my G30 540ix (19 inch wheels) and my experience is extremely positive with the DWS06. Noise level is greatly improved and the LS2 used to transmit every single road bump with a crash - very annoying! The DWS06 are very smooth and completely transformed the car. I do have DDC and a spare tire.

My wife X5 (19 inch tires) came with Michelin run-flats and I do not like them. Noisy, crash on pot-holes and bumps (not as bad as the LS2, but almost as bad). Currently at 25k miles and have more tread. Maybe Conti RFT are better but the only thing I do not love about the X5 are these Michelin run-flat tires.
Interesting....I've seen SUCH mixed responses on the DWS06....never had the Goodyear RFT on any of my (3) F15s. All I know is the DWS06 were SO bad, after several sets put on to try and work out problems...I would NEVER buy them again. Noisest tires I've ever heard in a lux vehicle..crappy ride...etc. However, ALL of my F15's had the 20" option so maybe the DWS06 problems others have experienced are due to the larger size and/or staggered setup. The rears on the DWS06 wore out super quick, too!
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Interesting....I've seen SUCH mixed responses on the DWS06....never had the Goodyear RFT on any of my (3) F15s. All I know is the DWS06 were SO bad, after several sets put on to try and work out problems...I would NEVER buy them again. Noisest tires I've ever heard in a lux vehicle..crappy ride...etc. However, ALL of my F15's had the 20" option so maybe the DWS06 problems others have experienced are due to the larger size and/or staggered setup. The rears on the DWS06 wore out super quick, too!
For sure tires in size that fit F15 are different than the one on G30 - I have DWS06 245/40ZR19 98Y XL. These are 19 inch and not staggered. I totally believe you that a lower profile version of this tire may not perform well, especially on F15. Good to know as we are replacing the X5 at the end of the year as the lease ends and I will stay away from 20 inch and DWS06. I am pretty sure I will go with 19 inch wheels again.
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I'm not kidding you NICKDI- but the 20" versions of the DWS06 were garbage/junk! I love the look of the 20s, but when you do the staggered setup, the rears wear out faster than the fronts. Most all of the tire manufacturers cut the treadlife warranty in HALF if you are running staggered setup! I did not realize that til recently. Michelin came out with some new All Season Pilot Sport A/S 3 N-Spec for the Panamera. They also match our 20" staggered factory setup - non run flat. They have EXCELLENT treadwear rating and 500 AA A. I think I'm going to do these next if I decided not to replace with the same conti's RFT I have now. It comes up as a replacement tire for the 2016 BMW X5 M Sport with 20" setup on tirerack.com. Pricing seems VERY reasonable. Some of these runflat replacement tires can be upwards of $500+ per tire - hell to the NO on that nonsense!!
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I'm not kidding you NICKDI- but the 20" versions of the DWS06 were garbage/junk! I love the look of the 20s, but when you do the staggered setup, the rears wear out faster than the fronts. Most all of the tire manufacturers cut the treadlife warranty in HALF if you are running staggered setup! I did not realize that til recently. Michelin came out with some new All Season Pilot Sport A/S 3 N-Spec for the Panamera. They also match our 20" staggered factory setup - non run flat. They have EXCELLENT treadwear rating and 500 AA A. I think I'm going to do these next if I decided not to replace with the same conti's RFT I have now. It comes up as a replacement tire for the 2016 BMW X5 M Sport with 20" setup on tirerack.com. Pricing seems VERY reasonable. Some of these runflat replacement tires can be upwards of $500+ per tire - hell to the NO on that nonsense!!
I have those N-spec on my 2012 Audi A8L size 275/40R20 and they are AmAZING! Very smooth and quiet and superb comfort with good handling feel.I highly rec them.
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I have those N-spec on my 2012 Audi A8L size 275/40R20 and they are AmAZING! Very smooth and quiet and superb comfort with good handling feel.I highly rec them.
Thank you very much for the recommendation. I'm now at 30,000 miles on these OEM Conti RFT and they are still going strong (fingers crossed). Oil change due in 3,000 miles. Hoping I can squeeze another 5-10k miles out of them still. If I can get them up to 40,000 miles I should only have to replace the tires twice - plan to keep this car up to 80k miles.
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