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12" crack requires a replacement, make sure to use CCRC and/or dealer with BMW techs instead of sublet repairs. The CCRC will follow BMW spec to replace side and top moldings, dash insulator, molding clips, windshield spacers, and rain sensor(with factory gel). Make sure the shop also initializes the new sensor per spec.
i plan to use the dealer. apparently the insurance co called the dealer and they said they have some glass company come in do to the work. i had to really argue with the insurance co to allow me to do it directly with the dealer. they called the dealer and it looks like it's all set up.
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I've never heard of such a thing. Insurance would have to prove that the work was never done in order to deny a later claim. I'd actually be fine with that since it's fair, but I just don't see how they could do that if a car was totalled in a way that obscured the previous damage.
Insurance does keep pictures of previous claims. If they can see the previous reimbursed damage is not repaired then they will adjust the payout. E.g. the previous damage is rear bumper, and the car is totaled due to front end damage with no impact to rear.

My guess though is that if claim is filed, but subsequent payout is 0(e.g. insured does not use insurance), the insured will not get any deduction in next claim.
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i plan to use the dealer. apparently the insurance co called the dealer and they said they have some glass company come in do to the work. i had to really argue with the insurance co to allow me to do it directly with the dealer. they called the dealer and it looks like it's all set up.
At least the dealer should use BMW glass install kit, while most aftermarket shops use non-BMW urethane.

Do check out these 2 videos, the first guy is aftermarket and is meticulous with fancy tool, the second guy is dealer sublet and is fast and furious with a cutter!!!



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hmm...i don't recall that to be the case with one of my older cars. maybe there's a time period?

i had a civic a long time ago and had gotten rear ended. a year or so later i had a minor accident in which i rear ended a truck with a towing hook. the truck owner didn't make a claim but my car was totaled. i got the full payout.
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I've never heard of such a thing. Insurance would have to prove that the work was never done in order to deny a later claim. I'd actually be fine with that since it's fair, but I just don't see how they could do that if a car was totalled in a way that obscured the previous damage.
Really? Both my current and former auto insurance companies had wording in their docs to that effect. Perhaps a Massachusetts thing since we're an insurance state? After a repair, the shop (or you) usually has to send in pics of the completed work.
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Really? Both my current and former auto insurance companies had wording in their docs to that effect. Perhaps a Massachusetts thing since we're an insurance state? After a repair, the shop (or you) usually has to send in pics of the completed work.
My CA insurer strongly suggests using their direct repair shops, which extend as adjusters for the insurance companies. These direct shops do send pictures of completed work to insurance as reference, and my guess is that even non-direct shops need to do the same to stay on good side of insurance.
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At least the dealer should use BMW glass install kit, while most aftermarket shops use non-BMW urethane.

Do check out these 2 videos, the first guy is aftermarket and is meticulous with fancy tool, the second guy is dealer sublet and is fast and furious with a cutter!!!
i have had it done by both the bmw dealer and aftermarket stores with my e46. in the latter case i did explicitly request oem glass which they used (they bought the kit from the dealer).
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Really? Both my current and former auto insurance companies had wording in their docs to that effect. Perhaps a Massachusetts thing since we're an insurance state? After a repair, the shop (or you) usually has to send in pics of the completed work.
ok, i get where you're coming from. i wasn't intending to get a payout and not fix the car. either i decide to not get it fixed at all (i.e. simply buffing it makes it look ok, although i don't think that is the case anymore) or i go through insurance and get it fixed.

my insurance co seems to prefer direct billing, so they don't send me money. in the case of the windshield, i will pay the dealer my deductible and they will pay the dealer directly. at least that's what they told me, i will have to see if the dealer will honor that.
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i have had it done by both the bmw dealer and aftermarket stores with my e46. in the latter case i did explicitly request oem glass which they used (they bought the kit from the dealer).
Did u see any difference in quality dealer versus aftermarket? For one it puzzles me if new rain sensor is necessary or not, given aftermarket needs to remove and reapply gel to old sensor.
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Easy, if it is the driver's fault and his insurance is paying then absolutely yes, I would. It will bug you.

On the other hand, if I walked out into the parking lot to find this had happened to my bumper, I would just leave it.
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Did u see any difference in quality dealer versus aftermarket? For one it puzzles me if new rain sensor is necessary or not, given aftermarket needs to remove and reapply gel to old sensor.
the only thing that i found with the after market guys is that the car smelled like crap when i got it back (probably the glue). i don't know what the dealer was doing different, but it didn't smell so bad when i picked it up after they had done the work.
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Did u see any difference in quality dealer versus aftermarket? For one it puzzles me if new rain sensor is necessary or not, given aftermarket needs to remove and reapply gel to old sensor.
I've had many windshields done both ways and have come to the conclusion that I don't really care

Between my wife's cars and mine, we've probably had ~20 windshields replaced over the years, some at the dealer and some by a mobile shop in our driveway. There's been a total of 3 issues. Once the non-dealer install had a little whistle at >80mph. Another time the interior seal/gasket was a little askew. Just a few months ago I had the dealer's on-prem shop replace my 335i's windshield and it had a very slight whistle at highway speeds.

By a funny coincidence I got a huge chip soon after right in the middle of my sightline (i.e. just above the steering wheel) so I had it replaced by a local shop with the work done in my driveway. I mentioned the whistle to the tech, but afterwards he said all the seals looked fine when he pulled off the old windshield. Anyway, the repair was perfect. Went with non-BMW logo glass because Liberty Mutual said my car was too old for them to pay for the logo. So moral of the story from my experience - I don't really care if the glass has the BMW logo or not, and I don't care if the dealer installs it or not.

BTW, the rain sensor is integral to the windshield. It comes with the unit, you don't detach and re-apply. Doesn't matter if the glass has the roundel or not.
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on a related note for windshield...how does it work if one has a tint? does one have to pay to get it retinted?

do folks recommend tinting the windshield?
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on a related note for windshield...how does it work if one has a tint? does one have to pay to get it retinted?

do folks recommend tinting the windshield?
You're on your own for the windshield tint. I'd love to get a 90% tint on mine, but don't want to fork over $300-$400 to redo it every time I need a new windshield.
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BTW, the rain sensor is integral to the windshield. It comes with the unit, you don't detach and re-apply. Doesn't matter if the glass has the roundel or not.
The F30 rain sensor is separate part# for $250 MSRP, while the non-HUD glass is $430-ish MSRP.

In the first video of post#28, aftermarket guy removed existing F10 sensor, removed the gel, and reapplied aftermarket gel, and installed old sensor + new gel into the bracket.

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You're on your own for the windshield tint. I'd love to get a 90% tint on mine, but don't want to fork over $300-$400 to redo it every time I need a new windshield.
If the windows are tinted, will insurance restore to pre-loss condition with the tint?
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The F30 rain sensor is separate part# for $250 MSRP, while the non-HUD glass is $430-ish MSRP.

In the first video of post#28, aftermarket guy removed existing F10 sensor, removed the gel, and reapplied aftermarket gel, and installed old sensor + new gel into the bracket.
I see. I never bothered watching the work on my F30. On our X5 I saw replacement windshields with the rain sensor already attached (the E46 too, IIRC). Must vary by model.

I wonder why the glass shop always asks if there's a rain sensor? Maybe there's a special coating in that area.
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If the windows are tinted, will insurance restore to pre-loss condition with the tint?
Good point. Maybe somebody with tinted side windows who had to get them replaced can chime in.

In general, will insurance pay for replacement aftermarket mods that are more expensive than OEM? E.g. Springs, shocks, brakes, wheels?
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The only thing I'd watch for is that resprays are often not as good as factory paint job. There are stories where after a clear film like Xpel was applied then removed, the resprayed paint comes off too. That almost never happens with factory paint jobs.
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I see. I never bothered watching the work on my F30. On our X5 I saw replacement windshields with the rain sensor already attached (the E46 too, IIRC). Must vary by model.

I wonder why the glass shop always asks if there's a rain sensor? Maybe there's a special coating in that area.
The glass with rain sensor comes with a bracket attached to the glass, while without rain sensor there is no such bracket. US spec F30 has rain sensor as standard equipment(right?) hence the glass always has at least the bracket. There are additional part# for windshield with HUD/lane departure, etc, etc.

The other interesting question is, aftermarket glass or OEM glass?

The OEM glass with BMW logo these days has a label showing at least 70% transparency. That % probably is BMW spec to get the various sensors to work.

E.g. for the rain sensor's quantum tunnel(no kidding!) to work, the glass may require specific refractive index/thickness. The aftermarket(even the with Pilkington logo) needs to meet that spec or else the rain sensor will go crazy.

Also, removing the gel can damage existing sensor(the C-shaped black pattern), so maybe it is best to replace sensor + gel pad together?
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absolutely get it fixed, because you won't know the full extent of the damage till they remove the bumper. take it to a BMW certified repair shop. I had the same type of accident, and the damage was far more than what appeared by visual inspection.
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absolutely get it fixed, because you won't know the full extent of the damage till they remove the bumper. take it to a BMW certified repair shop. I had the same type of accident, and the damage was far more than what appeared by visual inspection.
Was there additional damage to metal bumper, and attachment to the sub-frame?

The local Porsche authorized repair shop said per Porsche spec the bumper cover and metal bumper are both removed to inspect the sub-frame for marks/damage.

Local BMW CCRC said they only remove bumper cover and inspect metal bumper, and won't remove metal bumper if no visible damage(while Porsche will remove regardless).
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