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#1 ·
It's behind industry average

VW is crap

 
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#2 ·
Not quite sure I understand what a "problem" is though. I've taken my Audi in for a software update here and there that I heard about online, and to get windshield washer nozzle alignment adjusted. So I guess there's 2 or 3 problems right there? I'd still call it a dependable car over my 2 years of ownership though.
 
#3 ·
It's interesting to see where the Koreans fall on that list. The Hyundai Sonata was just named JD Power's most dependable mid-size sedan.
 
#4 ·
It's a dopey survey. Toyota avoids the problems by recalling for everything. The only interesting thing is to see which manufacturers have changed a lot from the prior year and which ones are way below average. BMW is right on the average and that is fine by me.

VW is surprising. MB has gotten their act together. Rover? I'm trying to convince my wife to get a Range Rover Sport and this just killed that.
 
#5 ·
No matter how you try and sell yourself into believing anything else, the fact remains that BMW's are not reliable cars. Especially, if you follow the "no maintenance-maintenance" schedule that BMW recommends (since it out of their pockets.) Sure, you may have a car right now that hasn't given you any problems. Consider yourself lucky and count that as the exception rather than the norm.

These car manufacturers will put their R&D dollars into where they think it will help sell the car. Toyota has built an image of a reliable and boring brand so that's what they focus their R&D dollars on because if not, then they will immediately get blasted in the press and such about how their cars aren't reliable. BMW, on the other hand has built their image on sporty and fun cars so that's where they focus their R&D dollars on. If they made a car that handled poorly, they would immediately get blasted from all angles. In theory, they could design a fun and sporty and reliable car but that would take lots of R&D and there's only so much money each manufacturer can allocate to each area.

The other fact remains that BMW has the highest lease rate of any manufacturer so most people only have the car for 3 years before they're given up and sold to another person. Usually, during this 3 years, nothing will go wrong and of course, there's no maintenance to bother the owner with so many people who lease these cars report that the car has been great. Of course, ask everybody with the N54 engine and I'm sure they'll tell you that keeping that car past 100k or was it 120k (that bmw extended the warranty on the hpfp to) if they think the car will last and I'm sure they pause before answering.

Good luck to all that think their BMW are reliable. Know what the positives of your car are and accept the negatives. Stop lying to yourself because we all know BMW are not reliable cars but they sure know how to make fun and good looking cars.
 
#41 ·
No matter how you try and sell yourself into believing anything else, the fact remains that BMW's are not reliable cars. Especially, if you follow the "no maintenance-maintenance" schedule that BMW recommends (since it out of their pockets.) Sure, you may have a car right now that hasn't given you any problems. Consider yourself lucky and count that as the exception rather than the norm.

These car manufacturers will put their R&D dollars into where they think it will help sell the car. Toyota has built an image of a reliable and boring brand so that's what they focus their R&D dollars on because if not, then they will immediately get blasted in the press and such about how their cars aren't reliable. BMW, on the other hand has built their image on sporty and fun cars so that's where they focus their R&D dollars on. If they made a car that handled poorly, they would immediately get blasted from all angles. In theory, they could design a fun and sporty and reliable car but that would take lots of R&D and there's only so much money each manufacturer can allocate to each area.

The other fact remains that BMW has the highest lease rate of any manufacturer so most people only have the car for 3 years before they're given up and sold to another person. Usually, during this 3 years, nothing will go wrong and of course, there's no maintenance to bother the owner with so many people who lease these cars report that the car has been great. Of course, ask everybody with the N54 engine and I'm sure they'll tell you that keeping that car past 100k or was it 120k (that bmw extended the warranty on the hpfp to) if they think the car will last and I'm sure they pause before answering.

Good luck to all that think their BMW are reliable. Know what the positives of your car are and accept the negatives. Stop lying to yourself because we all know BMW are not reliable cars but they sure know how to make fun and good looking cars.
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#7 · (Edited)
It looks like BMW is about average. The difference from the "industry standard" is probably within the margin of error. So the BMWs are about as reliable as anything else. The big thing polls like this miss is the type of issue customer had. They give equal weight to a car catching fire and car having a missing floor mat.

The other interesting part about this story is that the brand with the lowest quality, Range Rover, had record sales last year. That shows the importance that most people put on the initial quality of their cars.
 
#10 ·
You have to take these reports with a grain of salt becuase as someone else mentioned, they don't qualify what exactly constitutes an "issue" per 100 car. Therefore, this can range from something serious like a HPFP failing to a broken ash tray cover. Of course, at the end of the day anything wrong with a car is something wrong that needs to be fixed and you'll be inconvienenced with having to bring your car in.

Like, I said, there's a trade off with everything in life. You either get a reliable car like a toyota or a fun and stylish car like bmw. You can't have both. Pick one. Accept your choice and move on and deal with what it gives you.

Just know that BMW's are average when it comes to Toyotas. If oyu've never owned a Toyota, you'd never know any better so the BMW will be good to you but if you've owned a Toyota, then it won't ever measure up to Toyota standards.
 
#14 ·
.......Just know that BMW's are average when it comes to Toyotas. If oyu've never owned a Toyota, you'd never know any better so the BMW will be good to you but if you've owned a Toyota, then it won't ever measure up to Toyota standards.
Well if some of your cars have roll up windows and basic controls (such as on/off fan and manual heat settings like some Toyotas and Hondas) you certainly have MUCH less to go wrong! :confused: Taking that logic, let us just look at the listed luxury cars:

Lexus = 71
Porsche = 94
MB = 115
Acura = 120
Cadillac = 128
BMW = 133
Infiniti = 138
Audi = 147
Volvo = 149
Jaguar = 164

BMW is in the middle as far as I can see. :rolleyes:
 
#11 · (Edited)
If you take the worst (Landrover) and assume 2.2 issues per vehicle,

Well if I bought one, had two issues and got them resolved will I have more?

Or is 2.2 issues over a few years?

I don't see a big difference between 2 issues on a Landrover and 71% of all Lexus having issues ( assuming one issue per vehicle).

A side note

My 2008 VW GTi had the struts replaced when new (they were making noise), no more issues since purchase in 5 years.

My 2011 F10 has had no issues after 2 years of service.

So perhaps some vehicles have a lot of issues, and a lot of vehicles have no issues. Hard to tell from the survey. :dunno:
 
#16 ·
I remember having a vehicle many years ago where I would get an undefined occasional noise from the Passenger door. After a few years of ownership, I had removed the door panel to repair the window that came off the track. Low and behold a lunch bag with unrecognizable contents. :tsk: The old joke was to never get a car built on a Monday, Friday or day after a holiday! :D
 
#12 ·
Shrug. No shocks.

My 5 month old F30 has now had:
broken interior trim piece
brake clip popped off (right front wheel)
recall upgrade (backup camera now doesn't work when I put the car in reverse - awesome upgrade, BMW!)
RFT had to be replaced under warranty

My last car never had a single issue. My previous BMWs, a list as long as my arm. Shrug. It's a BMW.
 
#13 ·
Good luck to all that think their BMW are reliable. Know what the positives of your car are and accept the negatives. Stop lying to yourself because we all know BMW are not reliable cars but they sure know how to make fun and good looking cars.[/QUOTE]

I really don't understand some BMW owners. Always negitve. I'm on my 3rd BMW and not once was I left on the side of the road and I don't think that is unusaual. My 88 735i bought with 112,000 miles on it keep me going for 7 years and I only speant $2500 in 7 years to keep it running great. If that is not reliable I don't know what is.

I argree that they do cost more now then before to keep up with maintanence, but there is no reason to think it will ever break down and leave you stranded.
 
#15 ·
I really don't understand some BMW owners. Always negitve. I'm on my 3rd BMW and not once was I left on the side of the road and I don't think that is unusaual. My 88 735i bought with 112,000 miles on it keep me going for 7 years and I only speant $2500 in 7 years to keep it running great. If that is not reliable I don't know what is.

I argree that they do cost more now then before to keep up with maintanence, but there is no reason to think it will ever break down and leave you stranded.
Statistics and you've been on the good side of the curve. 2 new bimmers in 3 years, problems galore. They range from minor to hpfp which broke down on me 4x.
 
#20 ·
I had more problems with my first BMW than with my previous 5 cars combined (Mazda, Honda & Infiniti). My second BMW has certainly had its share of problems as well. I lost track of how many fuel pumps I went through between the two, one of which stranded me in the middle of my nowhere at 11pm 2h from my house, 1h from the nearest car rental place. Nice. While my BMWs generally do ok, I think they deserve however mediocre rating they get.
 
#21 ·
The simple truth is:
BMW cars are great fun to drive but a real pain to own especially after warranty

They are shocker ....
 
#24 ·
...let me just add. With all that I've said, seeing that Toyota and BMW are teaming up to exchange some technologies and have also said they will co-develop a car, I have high hopes where the car will be designed by bmw, handle like a bmw, have the luxuries like a Lexus, be reliable like a Lexus, and be relatively inexpensive to own like a Lexus. :thumbup:
 
#32 · (Edited)
The Z3 has left the wife and I on the road twice. We drove it to Arizona and on the
way back the transmission line inside the tranny developed a crack. All of the fluid
came out of the line fitting. Had to call my brother to come and get us. We were in
Effingham, Ill.

Got home, got my truck, borrowed a trailer and hit the road again to get it. We also
were stranded in Eastern Kentucky with overheating problems. Same deal again. Find
a way home then come back and get it. 300 miles one way this time. I put in a new
radiator and still had the problem. Put in a new t-stat and all was well.

They are fun but can be a pita sometimes.

I will say this...I would not buy another one.
 
#45 · (Edited)
I wouldn't say to not take them too seriously but take it with a grain a salt as they are accurate but like I said previously, the repairs per 100 cars aren't properly qualified. So even though a broken ash tray cover won't leave you stranded and it is an annoyance to go back to the dealer for a repair, a borken ash tray does count as a repair.

The reality is for all of those people on this thread saying to not take this report seriously, I'd say to stop turning the other way and face facts. Just look at this thread alone. You only have one person posting that their BMW has been running flawlessly while every other single person has said that they had not one or two problems but multiple problems. I don't think any of those people have reported broken ash tray covers either. They all seem to have been serious stuff like busted trannies or multiple hpfp failures.

Here's something that hasn't been brought up too until the last post. When you do have an issue with your bmw, how many people have taken it in to have the SA just tell you they couldn't replicate the problem or it took them a week to diagnos and fix the problem. Remember all of those hpfp failures and the stories or "explanation" that the SA were telling people. Some people even reported that their SA said it was their fault for driving too calm or some stupid reason and basically told them to move along.

Like I said, fun cars to drive but simply not reliable. There is a reason people will buy a BMW over a Lexus. It's because Lexus currently isn't offering cars to compete against BMW. If they wake up and figure it out and offered comparable cars to BMW cars, BMW will see people going to Lexus. They need to get their design together and offering engine choices that people want but they mainly need to compete from the sporty car angle. They don't have a coupe, convertible, halo car, or design oriented niche car like an x6. Give us a sports car like a Lexus version Supra. Give us a 6 series comnparable. Give us a (rumored) 8 series comparable. Give us some convertibles. Give us some sporty SUV options. The LX570 is a very capable off-road suv but we need one that is sporty like the x5 and x6.
 
#53 ·
what car someone chooses to drive, and what options they want, has almost no relation to how much they can afford. most ppl ive known with a decent amount of money (myself not being one of them) have had toyotas and camrys, etc. probably why they have more money cause they dont blow it on silly things like me. that said mine is not a stripper but doesnt have any of the tech stuff like iDrive, iphone support, cameras etc cause i consider that stuff gimmicky and not germaine to the driving experience. but i could easily have afforded it.
 
#54 ·
Yes, I realize that. That's why I said generally but the reality and fact is the majority of people that buy "common" cars such as the Camry and Accord buy them because that is what fits in their budget and it fits their needs. There are the rare instances where someone car afford a 90k 911 but chooses to drive an Accord. Again, they exist but are few and far between so to say that they have no relation is inaccurate. They are related for the majority of people but there are the exception to the rule where it won't apply.
 
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