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New Software Update for Hesitation/Tip-in

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#1 ·
Just got the latest software update yesterday for the hesitation issues. It was just released earlier this month. So far, big improvement. Acts like a normal car now. Just hope the adaptive BS doesn't mess it up. Time will till. I will post the update number when I get my paperwork from the dealer. There were two updates issued. Same software update for both, but issued for different build dates.
 
#2 ·
Yes, please do post the update. My car just got a huge software update, but that was a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if that was part of it or not.
 
#4 ·
Thank you for the info. What type of F10 do you have, and what is her build date?

NeedsDecaf, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you said that your latest update still didn't yield acceptable results in resolving the "tip-in" issue.

Shawn, I love how you sniff out these threads a mile away :D. You are a F10 scientist!
 
#11 ·
I had my 2011 528i done last week it is very much improved. The paperwork they gave did not show what version but I downloaded profile from idrive and it shows F001-12-07-520.The tip-in hesitation is gone but like others said I hope the adaptive drive does'nt take over and bring it back. I am trying to be aware of how I drive it from a stop and not start like a "granny" to create a memory in it.
 
#12 ·
F001-12-07-520?

Something is clearly not right. There is no way your car updated last week got a July Integration Level instead of a Novemeber Integration Level, not to mention I have no record of a F001-12-07-520 Integration Level:

ISTA/P 2.47.0 F010-12-07-531
ISTA/P 2.47.1 F010-12-07-531
ISTA/P 2.47.2 F010-12-07-531
ISTA/P 2.47.3 F010-12-07-531
ISTA/P 2.47.4 F010-12-07-532
ISTA/P 2.47.5 F010-12-07-533
ISTA/P 2.47.6 F010-12-07-533
ISTA/P 2.47.7 F010-12-07-533

The November ones are:

ISTA/P 2.48.0 F010-12-11-501
ISTA/P 2.48.1 F010-12-11-502
ISTA/P 2.48.2 F010-12-11-503

So, either you read or wrote that down wrong, or the Profile .xml file is incorrect, which I have seen before.

In any event, we still need to know what the SIB states in order to know specifically which cars are affected.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Here is what is in my profile i-step>F001-12-07-520< here is the whole readout:?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
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#14 ·
Here is what is in my profile i-step>F001-12-07-520<
Ok, but I am not buying it. There is something wrong with your profile .xml file.
 
#22 ·
I don't believe any of this.

If someone can produce a document that clearly states the software update addresses a tip in issue, I will change my mind.

Until then there is no evidence that BMW has acknowledged an issue. For the last 10 years folks have complained about drive by wire claiming undesirable drive response at times. Nothing has changed with any of the models that I am aware of .
 
#28 · (Edited)
If you are referring to your profile, that is because it is in .xml, which has HTML tags in it that the forum thinks is BB Code. Remove all the tags (e.g. "header" "/header" etc.).
 
#24 · (Edited)
Versions

When my car was delivered it had F010 11 09 505 and now it is F010 12 07 533 after my dealer updated software in July. It is a 2012. I determined this using the coding software with Shawnsheridan's help. You may have had an update, but if those are the references you read, it doesn't seem current. The one thing I noticed was that the update solved the fluctuating idle at start-up, but I never seemed to have a pronounced "tip-in" problem. I now have a JB4 Stage 1 tune so it would be even more difficult to tell as to what the software update did.
 
#31 ·
Hesitation software update

Gents- So I too have had an update done to attempt to correct this issue. The dealer did the update and it was documented as "bulletin 12 09 11"

I do notice a big difference, but has there been another update in addition to this one, and since I think it's fixed, I am wondering if there is another that improves the fix even more.
 
#38 ·
I have a July 2010 build 528i and am also experiencing the hesitation issue. I had the vehicle in two weeks ago to get the tires rotated and when I asked them about the numerous F10 hesitation threads the rep said to me "What hesitation issue" then said that was the official BMW response. He was aware of the problem but could do nothing. What do I tell them to get a software update if one is now available?
 
#39 ·
You show him SIB is 12-17-12 (when we have it and assuming your car is affected) and tell him you have the problem, and expect the SIB solution applied.
 
#43 ·
Anyone know if the fix addresses "take-off" hesitation or only while decelerating?

From reading the SIB, the update only addresses a certain use-case which may not be the main complaint on this forum.

It was my understanding that the main complaint was hesitation in general.
No, the main complaint is starting off from a stop. The hesitation under way is less prevalent.
 
#48 ·
On a related note - especially since Shawn is following this thread. Can the car be coded to start in first gear even when not in sport mode? I assume all 5's start in second when not in sport mode, but my 550 does for sure. I'd love to change that.
 
#49 ·
Not that I have seen, but I have not spent a whole lot of time in the EGS or DME Modules either.
 
#54 ·
Just keeping everybody informed, I have driven about 200 miles since the update and everything is still working great with no hint of it going back as was before as it did with the "Global" update. It feels like it starts off in first gear instead of second now. As soon as you press on the gas, it goes with no hesitation at all. It also has improved the acceleration after you slow down and speed up again. I'm excited, this thing is actually FUN to drive now.
 
#55 ·
Good to know. I have an appointment in January for maintenance and will have my SA apply the update as well.

Thanks for the info!
 
#57 ·
My car has a recall

First I heard about it, but my car is being recalled for a "re-coding" as the young female service attendant noted. She didn't know all the details, but something to do with the alarm and door closure and.. who knows. I am going in for an oil change and to replace a tire. I said I would do the re-code after Christmas. We'll see what this does.
 
#58 ·
First I heard about it, but my car is being recalled for a "re-coding" as the young female service attendant noted. She didn't know all the details, but something to do with the alarm and door closure and.. who knows. I am going in for an oil change and to replace a tire. I said I would do the re-code after Christmas. We'll see what this does.
Can you ask them now what the SIB is for this issue?
 
#63 · (Edited)
Maybe now I understand why you have a severe case of hesitation and a rough jerk. I know some 550-owners like Dunderhi also mentioned the 2nd (BUT maybe for a 400hp 550 it is more understandable). Not a case on mine 100%. I know the power curve very well and can recognize each gear with top precision (as I love the push into the seat and can feel how it weakens with each gear, thus reducing my joy). (Ticks me off when I come out of a turn in the 3rd, for example)

Maybe that gives you more grounds to demand a fix, Needs (and others). Simply state that you demand your 535 to start out in the 1st gear (otherwise, why the heck have it in the first place?) and take a new 535 for a ride and show them how it starts in the 1st. I have used the same demand-comparison tactic with CA door lock delay issue and got a fix that I wanted. The dealer even thanked me for using such method (as otherwise they would be dumbfounded and would have to argue and question me endlessly to both parties' dissatisfaction).
 
#68 · (Edited)
OK, here it is. Hope this acts as a definite proof. I might even start a new thread so ppl can find it more easily for future use.

Two moderate runs, one in D, one in DS. About half throttle on both (still with a nice push into the seat in the D mode which brings the best torque out of the motor :D).

Here is the grid based on the video to confirm that both D and DS start out in the 1st gear.

GEAR KMH RPM

1st 20 2700
2nd 50 3700
3rd 60 3100
3rd 70 3500

The vid is being stabilized so hopefully the link will still work OK once that process is completed.



Good luck to all fighting a severe case of the 2nd gear on startup. As I said, that concept sounds insane, really and a major malfunction. F10 isn't a truck and doesn't tow anything, so there'd be absolutely no reason to design it to start in the 2nd gear and reserve the 1st for more load. What more load? More kids in the back? More iron suitcases in the trunk?

It'd be nice to see a similar vid for the 550.

PS. Remember, to avoid high revving in the 1st given some tremendous power, the D mode in my car simply upshifts very quickly (and virtually seamlessly... it is really brilliant engineering, I catch myself off guard not even realizing that, that's how smooth and lightninig-fast it can be!). I observe this very often, especially from under a stop sign when making a turn, by the time I am done turning (which takes no time), the car is already in 2nd). The RPMs probably don't even reach 2k in the 1st when the car upshifts IF you want a slow and slip-free take-off. At the same time, if I push it some more on take-off, I can feel the wheels fighting for grip in wet conditions in the 1st. They also do in the 2nd but with noticeably lesser loss of grip.

...
 
#69 ·
Yogi,

That's a great video and very helpful, but I'm not clear how it shows that the car starts in 1st. How do we know that we're not looking at 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gear?

If the car does in fact normally start in 2nd gear, I wouldn't say that 1st is reserved for heavy loads, I'd say that 1st is reserved for when you stomp on the gas.

I'm not taking sides on the 1st, 2nd debate- I don't have any meaningful evidence either way. Given BMW's hyper-focus on fuel economy, I tend to lean toward the start-in-second camp though. With normal driving, starting in second would improve fuel economy. Dropping down to first on full-throttle allows for impressive 0-60 numbers as well.
 
#70 ·
That's a great video and very helpful, but I'm not clear how it shows that the car starts in 1st. How do we know that we're not looking at 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gear?
Because RPMs would be different. Given the speed and RPM, you know exactly what gear you are in (I listed 4 numbers above the video).
 
#72 · (Edited)
easy way to check if yogi's car starts in 1st is when he starts accelerating in D, flip it in DS and hit "-" to see if it does downshift to 1st. If he has sport auto you could just hit the "-" paddle instead of DS
 
#77 ·
Would not work, as DS automatically downshifts.
 
#73 · (Edited)
I wanted to do this and almost did but I could not shift while taking the video (but thought the vid is already proof enough given the RPM and speed, not sure where all the doubts are coming from...).

Update:

Here it is for the doubters....

Compare the speed and rpms with the data above my first vid, specifically 20 kmh in 1st vs 2nd and 50 kmh in 2nd

GEAR KMH RPM

1st 20 2700
2nd 50 3700
3rd 60 3100
3rd 70 3500


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