:eeps:
Looks like starting Monday, I'll be getting to know the X3 quite well.
Looks like starting Monday, I'll be getting to know the X3 quite well.
:rofl:atyclb said:
Must know the sales person quite wellSARAFIL said::rofl:
Ok, I'll let the cat out of the bag.
My dad is getting a new X3 next week... the deal was too good to pass up. :yikes:
Specs:
Bluewater/Black Leather
Auto
Sport
Cold Weather
Moonroof
Privacy Glass
Let's just say he got an amazing deal.
I'm sorry. :angel:SARAFIL said::eeps:
Looks like starting Monday, I'll be getting to know the X3 quite well.
My biggest issue with the X3 is the price. I think that at the MSRP of $44,145 this car is overpriced for what it gives you. However, at the "negociated" selling price, it's a bargain.Mathew said:I'm sorry. :angel:
We're on our 3rd E46, but we've never had an X5.Did you guys have an X5 at one point, or is that my imagination?
:bigpimp:Dr. Phil said:Must know the sales person quite well
If you hadn't noticed, BMW has delayed the annoucement on MY05 changes to the X3. I'm a firm believer that they'll greatly increase the value of the entry-level 2.5 and 3.0 by adding more standard features at a minimal (if any) price increase.Emission said:As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.
Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:
Yeah, but you have to drive a wagon!atyclb said:my 2003 325iT at $27,000 is sounding better all the time
::stupid: (also hope next gen X5 doesn't grow too much) Congrats to you both,I hope you get good scores from him on delivery.Emission said:As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.
Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:
I use the same logic and don't see why an X5 is worth the extra dollars (3.0). Bigger on the outside and smaller with less capacity on the inside. Heavier by 1000 lbs (slower). Doesn't have the super-cool moon roof. And of course interior is personal preference where some people see a grand canyon between the interiors of the X3 and X5 while I see a little stream.Emission said:As an X5 owner, I just don't get the X3. If it was priced $30K-$40K (loaded), then I would get it... but my nicely equipped X5 was only about $47K... and I think the X5 is much more value.
Oh, we're looking forward to another X3 expert around here. Welcome to these parts of the Fest! :thumbup:
Well... not really all what you said... but I'm not in the mood to argue.beware_phog said:"I use the same logic and don't see why an X5 is worth the extra dollars (3.0)..."
But a fully loaded X3 IS more like $46k if you leave out NAV. I was surprised when I added up a loaded 2.5 and it came out to 40k+, though. The problem with the 2.5 was that it had been decontented so much to squeeze it down to $30k (didn't it start out at $29xxx?) that it's not at even what many of us here would consider 'BMWish' until you've got 3 or 4 grand into it. The far cheaper-looking interior definitely doesn't give the X3 a good apples-to-apples comparison case to the X5, either. Put a E46 interior in it, and it starts to talk.SARAFIL said:If you hadn't noticed, BMW has delayed the annoucement on MY05 changes to the X3. I'm a firm believer that they'll greatly increase the value of the entry-level 2.5 and 3.0 by adding more standard features at a minimal (if any) price increase.
A fully loaded X5 3.0 with all the silly options pushes $55,000. I think that the X3 would be better priced if a fully loaded X3 3.0 was $46,000 and not $50,000. That would mean that a normally equipped car (Auto, Prem, Cold Wthr, Metallic Paint) could be had for ~$40-41,000.
We also got sticker shock when some normally-equipped X3 2.5's showed up with window stickers near $40,000. We knew the prices, but didn't think they'd get that expensive with only things like Leather, Auto, Premium, and Cold Weather Packages.
Our car is $44,145. It doesn't have the Premium Package (but has leather and the roof), doesn't have Xenons, doesn't have Nav, doesn't have Premium Sound, and doesn't have a variety of the not-so-important options like PDC, power-fold mirrors, Servotronic steering, etc.Kaz said:But a fully loaded X3 IS more like $46k if you leave out NAV. I was surprised when I added up a loaded 2.5 and it came out to 40k+, though.
:stupid: That was exactly what my sales person told me when I asked about how they were moving the X3's at the dealer... the "incentives" are what is moving X3's not the vehicle itself.Kaz said:But a fully loaded X3 IS more like $46k if you leave out NAV. I was surprised when I added up a loaded 2.5 and it came out to 40k+, though. The problem with the 2.5 was that it had been decontented so much to squeeze it down to $30k (didn't it start out at $29xxx?) that it's not at even what many of us here would consider 'BMWish' until you've got 3 or 4 grand into it. The far cheaper-looking interior definitely doesn't give the X3 a good apples-to-apples comparison case to the X5, either. Put a E46 interior in it, and it starts to talk.
When I originally heard that the X3 was going to start at $30k, I thought the X5 3.0's days were numbered, but that's definitely not the case today. I agree, BMW needs to do what Jag has done with the XType and throw 3-4k worh of extras as standard and raise the base by less than half that. This had been done on the E46 to an extent, but over time. The X3 needs it NOW and all at once.
I think the Z4/X3 interior is really doing itself in.Technic said:I'm sorry, but the X3 looks and feels cheap if you do not put around $8k on top of it... and still is lacking something that I cannot put my finger on it, IMO. :thumbdwn:
Agree. I'd find that interior hard to stomach on a 25k car. Spending 40-50k and getting it is just huge slap in the face. Other than x-drive, why does anyone buy the x3 over the 325xiT? I really don't get it.Kaz said:I think the Z4/X3 interior is really doing itself in.
I mean, look:
Even if you stuck wood in the thing, the X3 interior just doesn't have the 'richness' that the X5 has. I'll use the Bangle Butt is Fine excuse line here, but you buy one, you're gonna be looking at this interior the whole time...
The x3 does admittedly have far more cargo room. Passenger room isn't that different, though it's differently configured.robg said:Agree. I'd find that interior hard to stomach on a 25k car. Spending 40-50k and getting it is just huge slap in the face. Other than x-drive, why does anyone buy the x3 over the 325xiT? I really don't get it.
Same reason I bought an X5 over a 525iT.... on Friday night I drove up a curb to park. I couldn't do that in a station wagon.robg said:"... Other than x-drive, why does anyone buy the x3 over the 325xiT? I really don't get it."
:stupid:beware_phog said:I use the same logic and don't see why an X5 is worth the extra dollars (3.0). Bigger on the outside and smaller with less capacity on the inside. Heavier by 1000 lbs (slower). Doesn't have the super-cool moon roof. And of course interior is personal preference where some people see a grand canyon between the interiors of the X3 and X5 while I see a little stream.
For me, the X5 should be bigger and not even offer the smallest engine. Now if I were towing something, then I'd graviate to the X5 with the more horses.
No offense, but the X5 to me represents a lack of value. I need it to be bigger!
I own an X3 and picked it up in Munich. This increases the price difference more (although incentives have appeared which narrows that gap a little bit).