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Old 08-21-2016, 06:24 PM
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330 e worth it?

I commute about 100 miles round trip for work every day.... so naturally hybrids and electric cars intrigue me. I currently drive a 320i and average about 34mpg during my commute . I honestly drive pretty fast 85 + on the highway . I would never want to sacrifice handling/ride feel so the 330e is appealing but it's about 10k + more.

Would a 330e save me money?.... Ps. I'm never driving in Eco mode haha.

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Old 09-23-2016, 09:42 AM
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Yes. As a 330e driver who does a lot of highway driving, even at highway speeds you still have the hybrid impact (use of electric engine for boost, brake and coasting regeneration, etc.) so you still get improved fuel economy. I have not been able to figure out how to calculate that given the juice I pour into the car every night from my 120 outlet. You basically get the same petrol engine you have now plus the electric engine. Way better performance and improved fuel economy.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:29 AM
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The all electric range is only 14 miles, my commute is about 8 miles. Because of this I have been thinking about this car. But for you, the battery would be used up pretty quickly. The EPA rating for the 330e is 31 mpg combined and 28 on the 320i. Let's say you own the car for 10 years, would you save $1000 a year on gas? Maybe, but also realize that the 330e has a smaller gas tank, so you range would go down and you'd be filling up more often. I think for most people it just doesn't make sense, you have to make some compromises that most people wouldn't like.
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Old 09-23-2016, 12:10 PM
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I commute about 100 miles round trip for work every day.... so naturally hybrids and electric cars intrigue me. I currently drive a 320i and average about 34mpg during my commute . I honestly drive pretty fast 85 + on the highway . I would never want to sacrifice handling/ride feel so the 330e is appealing but it's about 10k + more.

Would a 330e save me money?.... Ps. I'm never driving in Eco mode haha.
You can buy a LOT of gas for $10,000. According to the EPA you could expect to save $1,250 in fuel costs over five years. At that rate it would take 40 years to recoup the $10,000 premium

As was mentioned previously you would spend the vast majority of your miles using the gas motor. Generally speaking hybrids make the most sense for drivers who make many, short city trips.
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Old 09-23-2016, 02:24 PM
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You may not get a payback on the 330e but you will get an emotional payback. Think of it this way...you are getting your car plus a second car with an electric motor but they put them together into one. the engine in the 330e is the same (or equivalent) to the one in the 320i (I get conflicting reports on whether it is the N20 or B48) but you get the additional boost from the electric motor which also means that you don't get turbo lag because the electric boost cuts in while the turbo is winding up. So I agree that it doesn't pay economically but may emotionally and also if you want to contribute to the solution to global warming.
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I don't understand the concept behind this e-drive vehicles. Is the battery in 330e a special one that can last many more recharge cycles? I heard lithium batteries usually last 500-1000 full recharge recycles. If the 330e battery has similar recharge life cycles, and I recharge the battery every night after work from being empty. This battery would be dead (not recharge-able) before a 3 year lease is over! Am I missing something? Thx
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You may not get a payback on the 330e but you will get an emotional payback. Think of it this way...you are getting your car plus a second car with an electric motor but they put them together into one. the engine in the 330e is the same (or equivalent) to the one in the 320i (I get conflicting reports on whether it is the N20 or B48) but you get the additional boost from the electric motor which also means that you don't get turbo lag because the electric boost cuts in while the turbo is winding up. So I agree that it doesn't pay economically but may emotionally and also if you want to contribute to the solution to global warming.
Currently, 320i in markets outside the U.S. and Canada use the 135 kW (180 hp) B48 engine, the same unit as that used in the 330e. U.S. and Canada market 320i cars continue to use the N20 as of MY 2017.
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I don't understand the concept behind this e-drive vehicles. Is the battery in 330e a special one that can last many more recharge cycles? I heard lithium batteries usually last 500-1000 full recharge recycles. If the 330e battery has similar recharge life cycles, and I recharge the battery every night after work from being empty. This battery would be dead (not recharge-able) before a 3 year lease is over! Am I missing something? Thx
The batteries are warrantied for at least 8 years.

I agree with the calculations that you won't get the money back. But you will get a vehicle with significantly more power (250 HP) and way more torque (310 ft lb). You will get better fuel economy than the 320i but not Prius like fuel economy (trust me...I know) because your car will actually move quickly and pass quickly when asked.

Also, when you move up from the 320 series to the 330 series you get other upgrades that may be impacting on your additional cost but will make your driving more enjoyable. And, depending on where you live, you may have other benefits as well (tax credits, use of high occupancy lanes during rush hour, helping to clean the air, perhaps avoiding gasoline free urban zones).

I don't know what features you are looking for but if you do that much driving, I strongly urge you to consider active cruise control for either vehicle. I demanded it, and have it on my 330e, If you do that much driving it will make your life way more enjoyable.


So you can't really compare a 330e to a 320i. They are essentially two different cars.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:37 AM
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I commute about 100 miles round trip for work every day.... so naturally hybrids and electric cars intrigue me. I currently drive a 320i and average about 34mpg during my commute . I honestly drive pretty fast 85 + on the highway . I would never want to sacrifice handling/ride feel so the 330e is appealing but it's about 10k + more.

Would a 330e save me money?.... Ps. I'm never driving in Eco mode haha.
Look heres the deal, The BMW 330e will save you alot of gas but offer you more power than the 320 any day of the week. While I see that price matters its really not a question about how much more its going to be because it is a nicer car. The real question is what kind of deal you can get with either of them.?
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So you save about $5 a week in gas? I can get an extra cup of coffee at Starbucks.
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The usefulness of the hybrid depends on your driving habits. For the past month, I have been driving mostly around town in my 330e (I work out of the house), with a few occasional 50-80 mile roundtrip commutes. I filled the gas tank on 3/18. I have almost a quarter of a tank left. I have put on 840 miles since 3/18. I may get to 1000 miles before I have to fill up the tank.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:05 AM
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The usefulness of the hybrid depends on your driving habits. For the past month, I have been driving mostly around town in my 330e (I work out of the house), with a few occasional 50-80 mile roundtrip commutes. I filled the gas tank on 3/18. I have almost a quarter of a tank left. I have put on 840 miles since 3/18. I may get to 1000 miles before I have to fill up the tank.
Yes. And the 330e has only a 10.8 gallon gas tank. So these results are even more impressive. And it comes with the newer allegedly better B48 engine instead of the N20.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:14 AM
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SEE THERE IS NO COMPARISON. THE 330E CAN GET YOU SO MANY MORE MILES WHICH ISNT JUST GAS BUT ITS TIME AT THE PUMP, ITS EVERYTHING ROLLED INTO ONE. TIME IS MONEY AND MONEY IS WHAT YOUR LOOKING TO SAVE RIGHT? THAT 7 SERIES E MODEL IS GOING TO BE SWEET
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I had leased an Active Hybrid 3, it was a real performance car with the 6 cylinder plus electric motor, but only 2 miles electric. Just received my ordered 330e last week, it is an improvement all around.
Some benefits:
The engine start / stop in this car is terrific, not noticeable at all as most driving under 40mph is electric. Even with a full depleted battery it keeps enough to shut off the engine while stopped and then start moving under electric so non of the abrupt start back up when given gas.
14 to 22 miles full electric: the car is very quick and responsive under electric only, give it more gas and the engine fires up-it is so seamless you only notice the tach jump up.
Put it in manual and with the combined gas plus electric is is very quick and responsive.
Silent: the only time the gas fires up you are already up to speed or accelerating hard so road noise is more pronounced.
Great milage, in this last week I've averaged 38mpg city with a once a day charge.
Free charging at many charging stations.
In Hawaii, free parking at any state lot, including the airport-big for me as a few days while off island gets into several $100. Also since occupant use of HOV lanes.
Offending sanctimonious Prius and Leaf, BMW i3 drivers by driving a 'real' car and still caring about the environment and using one of their coveted free parking/charging stations.
So far, It's great. Was seriously considering the new Alfa Giulia and glad I chose the BMW.
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Forgot to add: you wil never need brake rotors or pads, and when washing the car there is no brake dust: this is because almost all braking uses the regenerative braking of the electric motor.
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What about the new Tesla Model3?
215 mile range
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https://www.tesla.com/model3

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What about the new Tesla Model3?
215 mile range
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https://www.tesla.com/model3
As of now, it's imaginary.
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I don't understand the concept behind this e-drive vehicles. Is the battery in 330e a special one that can last many more recharge cycles? I heard lithium batteries usually last 500-1000 full recharge recycles. If the 330e battery has similar recharge life cycles, and I recharge the battery every night after work from being empty. This battery would be dead (not recharge-able) before a 3 year lease is over! Am I missing something? Thx
BMW of NA warranty for the 330e high voltage battery is 8 years or 80,000 miles.
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I commute about 100 miles round trip for work every day.... so naturally hybrids and electric cars intrigue me. I currently drive a 320i and average about 34mpg during my commute . I honestly drive pretty fast 85 + on the highway . I would never want to sacrifice handling/ride feel so the 330e is appealing but it's about 10k + more.

Would a 330e save me money?.... Ps. I'm never driving in Eco mode haha.
If you drive highway most of the time, hybrid isn't the best way to go. I'd go diesel, 328d - 31/43 mpg city/hwy. Plus, you can save with a 328d CPO. you won't find many 330e CPO since they're relatively new
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"If you build it, they will come."
Tesla hasn't built any production Model 3 cars, and it remains to be seen if they ever will.

In CY 2016, 870 customers in the U.S. "came" to purchase or lease a new BMW 330e.
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Tesla hasn't built any production Model 3 cars, and it remains to be seen if they ever will.

In CY 2016, 870 customers in the U.S. "came" to purchase or lease a new BMW 330e.
The Tesla store staff at the factory said Model 3 production will start in July. In fact the factory was shutdown in Feb for a week to prepare for pilot production.
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You should consider the 328d. I get about 40mpg driving 80mph on a hilly freeway (600miles per tank). Probably could get almost 50mpg if it was a flat Highway. Either way you can't wrong with either model.


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