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BMW will be unveiling the upcoming F87 M2 and this is the place to talk about it. Are you adding one of these to your garage?

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Old 04-20-2017, 01:08 PM
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Pricing on M2

How much would I be able to haggle down the price of a US msrp of 55,600? This is the msrp of the M2 current lease offer which includes executive package, and I'm assuming is automatic. I also want to do European delivery which says would be 5% off msrp. Do I have room to play with?
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Old 04-20-2017, 01:23 PM
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That price seems low for the DCT.

White (free) + Exec + DCT is MSRP at $56,800 right now.

White + Exec (6MT) is $53,900. (DCT is a $2900 option).

Most people seem to be paying MSRP on M2s, and it's also fairly hard to get Euro Delivery on them for whatever reason. Check out Bimmerpost forums, there's a lot of traffic over there from people that actually have purchased them.

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Old 04-20-2017, 01:51 PM
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That price seems low for the DCT.

White (free) + Exec + DCT is MSRP at $56,800 right now.

White + Exec (6MT) is $53,900. (DCT is a $2900 option).

Most people seem to be paying MSRP on M2s, and it's also fairly hard to get Euro Delivery on them for whatever reason. Check out Bimmerpost forums, there's a lot of traffic over there from people that actually have purchased them.
I have a better question, do you think it'd be possible to negotiate a different residual value? The M2 buy price after lease with a 55600 msrp is 26000, 47%, the M3 offer is 62%.
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Old 04-20-2017, 01:54 PM
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Highly doubtful. BMW doesn't want people to lease this car, presumably because they are assuming that many people will drive them hard and put them away wet (which is bad for longevity / future resale / warranty claims later in life).

This has been discussed in circles over at BP as well. Most people just suck it up and finance it since the residuals are so unattractive.
I've been researching an M2 for the past month or two and have a deposit in... nothing much else to do to kill time while waiting except read forums about it.

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Old 04-20-2017, 01:56 PM
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:32 PM
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Highly doubtful. BMW doesn't want people to lease this car, presumably because they are assuming that many people will drive them hard and put them away wet (which is bad for longevity / future resale / warranty claims later in life).

This has been discussed in circles over at BP as well. Most people just suck it up and finance it since the residuals are so unattractive.
I've been researching an M2 for the past month or two and have a deposit in... nothing much else to do to kill time while waiting except read forums about it.
This is a valid point but my hunch is that BMW never quite anticipated the overwhelming reception for the M2. Given stellar reviews, limited availability, crazy aggressive initial factory pricing - I suspect BMW decided that they could make up some of their lost opportunity on the back end. Want to lease - pay through the nose, want to finance - do not expect a discounted rate from BMWFS. When I purchased my M2 last fall, BMW offered a discounted finance rate of 1.95% on every model except the M2. Yes the car's msrp is great, even without a discount, just don't expect BMW to ice the cake with good deals on financing or leasing.

My suggestion; buy an M2 - enjoy the car, and feel good about your prowess to ferret out a great rate at your local credit union. Don't allow the BMW "suits" bruise your M2 experience. The M2 is exceptional.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:31 PM
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This is a valid point but my hunch is that BMW never quite anticipated the overwhelming reception for the M2. Given stellar reviews, limited availability, crazy aggressive initial factory pricing - I suspect BMW decided that they could make up some of their lost opportunity on the back end. Want to lease - pay through the nose, want to finance - do not expect a discounted rate from BMWFS. When I purchased my M2 last fall, BMW offered a discounted finance rate of 1.95% on every model except the M2. Yes the car's msrp is great, even without a discount, just don't expect BMW to ice the cake with good deals on financing or leasing.

My suggestion; buy an M2 - enjoy the car, and feel good about your prowess to ferret out a great rate at your local credit union. Don't allow the BMW "suits" bruise your M2 experience. The M2 is exceptional.
I was thinking of leasing just to start with lower payments but I wanna end up buying it, I'll have to calculate some numbers and go to a dealer and figure it out, I saw that the invoice price of base is about 2500 than msrp base, do you think there is wiggle room on bringing down the base closer to invoice? What'd you do when you bought it? Thanks!
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:02 PM
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I have a better question, do you think it'd be possible to negotiate a different residual value? The M2 buy price after lease with a 55600 msrp is 26000, 47%, the M3 offer is 62%.
No, residual value is not negotiable on BMWs at all.. its set by BMW and dealers cant change it.

I also would be interested to hear that you could buy an M2 for less than MSRP right now, and would be pretty amazed to hear that you got a dealer to do Euro delivery on one. The M2 is still the "hot car" and if you want one you will need to pay hot car price.
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:35 AM
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There is a $500 BMWCCA rebate that applies to the Ms and if you're lucky they might throw in the floor mats and a keychain.

I wouldn't expect much more than that.

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..... What'd you do when you bought it? Thanks!
I waited 9 months for my M2. I was not going to allow the sales experience at the dealership spoil the joyous day I took delivery, so I did my homework and had a great financing deal in my pocket. I have always leased or financed through BMWFS - the finance manager knew me, and I could see he was salivating anticipating how he was going to take me down. Not to be - BMW and the dealership got their pound of flesh - I paid full msrp like the rest of the herd, but I was not going to pay extra for BMW's money on the backend. Be prepared - you are not going to get any "deals" from BMW on an M2.

Bottom line - all is good - everything is in its rightful place - the right car, the right financing, and me behind the wheel of my M2.

Note - I used Johns Hopkins Credit Union but you might want to check out PenFed for good rates. Lease? - a 47 percent residual is a non-starter.
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:18 AM
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The dealer makes money on the financing (assuming you finance through the dealer), so they will probably be willing to haggle more on the price compared to a cash offer.
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You can also get a fleet discount on M2s if you qualify. I think it is $2,500 from memory?
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Oh trying to stay calm here

Why would a dealer even consider getting you close to invoice on a car where they make less than 6% of the MSRP and have a waiting list? So no, you are not going to negotiate the residual and/or price. MSRP is what most of us pay - sure, lots of stories of "I'm a repeat customer, so they gave me $1K off" and I call ...BS

Anyway

Do NOT lease this car. One of the dumbest moves you can make. I've done a write-up on another forum of how dumb this idea is. The only reason to lease is if you are very good at wrecking your car repeatedly and don't want the Carfax record. Other than that, purchasing is far better and can save on tax too.
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The last hot-ticket BMW was the E46 M3. I was just about at the front of a two-year long waiting list. With a waiting list, MSRP is a good deal.

At the end of the first year, the KBB private sale price of my M3 was still at around MSRP of a new one. By the end of the second year, supply has caught up with demand and the depreciation for the second year was about 20%. I wish I'd bought two of them.
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AARP discount?

(Sure looks like an M2!)



Thinking about filling out the form and seeing what happens! (Yes, it says "up to" and I wouldn't hold my breath even for free floor mats.)
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The USAA discount for a 2 Series is $2000, and it includes the M2. BMWCCA's rebate is only $500, and it doesn't stack with USAA.

The trick is finding one. Although, there was one at my dealership a few weeks ago. They were hoping or something over sticker, but didn't get a bite. I suspect now that the defective differential thing is over, M2 supply will be up with demand soon.
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Thinking about filling out the form and seeing what happens! (Yes, it says "up to" and I wouldn't hold my breath even for free floor mats.)
I got the AARP discount for my M2 back in March. $2500 for purchase. $12 to join AARP online.
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The USAA discount for a 2 Series is $2000, and it includes the M2. BMWCCA's rebate is only $500, and it doesn't stack with USAA.

The trick is finding one. Although, there was one at my dealership a few weeks ago. They were hoping or something over sticker, but didn't get a bite. I suspect now that the defective differential thing is over, M2 supply will be up with demand soon.
The differential thing was over way back and had no affect on production.
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I got the AARP discount for my M2 back in March. $2500 for purchase. $12 to join AARP online.
The AARP program is gone the end of the month so don't waste money to join it. You also needed to be a member of AARP earlier in the year.
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I saw exactly that at a dealer today. It was added to a 2017 M2 that was completely optioned out. Ridiculous. I ended up ordering a 2018 at MSRP from them to my surprise. This was after I visited another dealer who told me I could only order it with their dealer package costing $3888 that included LoJack, tinted windows and paint sealer (their way of marking up the car). My advice, shop around.
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I saw exactly that at a dealer today. It was added to a 2017 M2 that was completely optioned out. Ridiculous. I ended up ordering a 2018 at MSRP from them to my surprise. This was after I visited another dealer who told me I could only order it with their dealer package costing $3888 that included LoJack, tinted windows and paint sealer (their way of marking up the car). My advice, shop around.
What features did you order for your 2018? Are your going to pick it up at the Welt?
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What features did you order for your 2018? Are your going to pick it up at the Welt?
No Welt. Only options right now are DCT and Apple Play. Waiting to see if BMW comes out with new options in 2018 (info not released yet).
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I saw exactly that at a dealer today. It was added to a 2017 M2 that was completely optioned out. Ridiculous. I ended up ordering a 2018 at MSRP from them to my surprise. This was after I visited another dealer who told me I could only order it with their dealer package costing $3888 that included LoJack, tinted windows and paint sealer (their way of marking up the car). My advice, shop around.
A friend leased a 2014 M235i. Back then, before the M2, the M235i was the hot ticket. Every time one came in to the dealer, he'd go down to look at it and try to haggle. The dealer wouldn't budge on price, though. But, once he decided to order one the price came down. With a hot ticket car in inventory, the dealers are hoping to score big with an impulse buyer paying more. But, if you order one, and are willing to wait a few months, the price comes down. The moral of this story is to not be impulsive, in car buying or anything else.
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