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Very dumb move by BMW. One of the main reasons I was willing to purchase a BMW for the first time was the warranty provided
since I heard the parts were very expensive to replace. For sure, other manufacturers will fill the void left by BMW and extend
their warranties rather than reduce them. Can they legally refuse to honor the 4yr/50 warranty on existing owners? I don't think so.
In my case, I purchased the extended warranty already for 6yrs/70K since I was planning to keep the car as long as possible.
It's the maintenance, not the warranty. It only applies to Model Year 2017 and forward. When they make changes they are never retroactive. They can't be.

With two exceptions none of BMW's competitors have added a maintenance plan in the almost two decades it has been offering it. I don't think they're likely to change now.


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They've stretched the brake fluid life to three years.

Back in 2001, the free maintenance thing was only three years. This four year thing is relatively new. I suspect the brakes and clutches were the thing that caused the change.
Can you post info about when they extended the brake fluid interval?

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I believe my 1999 328i had the 4 year, 50K mile maintenance.

And I have to laugh at the irony of the BMW commercial I just saw that, literally, was selling the 4 year, 50K maintenance.
Nope. 3 yr/36,000 miles maintenance until at least MY 2000. Not sure what year it changed after that, but my 2004 ZHP did have 4 yr/50,000 miles maintenance.



It is no doubt disappointing, but the reality is it will affect very little of the maintenance actually required on modern cars in four years and 50,000 miles.

Modern cars rarely require brake service before 50,000 miles. Belts last well beyond 4 years and 50k miles, as do clutches.

The only things that are actually going to be lost are one oil change and a few wiper blade replacements.
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disappointing news to say the least. The $0 maintenance for 4 yr / 50K has been a valued differentiator for me. I am even more pleased to have my 2016.
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Very annoying. I believe Jaguar are now offering 5 year's free maintenance.

I might switch to a Jag when my lease is up this time.
If I didn't lease every three years, I would definitely give Jag a consideration.
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You mean I get 4 years/50,000 miles of free brake pads and clutches? Awesome! Hope they cover rotors too.
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Time to swithc the brand afer 18 years of being a loyal customer... ED program downgraded and now they are shortchaning on maintenance.
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Kind of a bummer but BMW is well aware of how many of their customers lease and thus won't care or be effected by this. VW has gone in a similar direction and are eliminating the free maintenance entirely. Still, if you want to drive a BMW and enjoy BMW's, just find a certified independent shop to do the annual service/oil changes, etc. same with brake job and so on. I mean is this really something that is going to make you leave the brand for another car? Your choice of car hinges on free maintenance? Weird.
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Still, if you want to drive a BMW and enjoy BMW's, just find a certified independent shop to do the annual service/oil changes, etc. same with brake job and so on. I mean is this really something that is going to make you leave the brand for another car? Your choice of car hinges on free maintenance? Weird.
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I'm an adherent of the "BMW Lifetime Maintenance Schedule" available upon request from Roundel Magazine's Mike Miller. The duration of BMW of NA's No Cost Scheduled Maintenance matters little.

"No Cost" is a misnomer anyway. The cost of the program is reflected in the cars' pricing.
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I'm an adherent of the "BMW Lifetime Maintenance Schedule" available upon request from Roundel Magazine's Mike Miller. The duration of BMW of NA's No Cost Scheduled Maintenance matters little.

"No Cost" is a misnomer anyway. The cost of the program is reflected in the cars' pricing.
But that is the point and why people are upset. It's not like BMW is going to lower the price of their cars with the 2017 model. If anything, the 2017 will be a little more expensive or at least the same. Beginning in 2017, customers will simply get less for their money. Same price or more expensive car as before, no more free maintenance. End of the day though, we are talking about like $300-$500. If you buy or lease a $36 - $55000 car and are going to take your ball and go home over $500... I mean, come on now.
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But that is the point and why people are upset. It's not like BMW is going to lower the price of their cars with the 2017 model. If anything, the 2017 will be a little more expensive or at least the same. Beginning in 2017, customers will simply get less for their money. Same price or more expensive car as before, no more free maintenance. End of the day though, we are talking about like $300-$500. If you buy or lease a $36 - $55000 car and are going to take your ball and go home over $500... I mean, come on now.
$300-$500 maybe a bit low if brake pads+rotors on both axles. In normal street usage it is not easy to get down to wear marks within 4-yr/50k, but those who track can be affected(and those probably are the targets of this policy change).

And let's hope there is a price drop for MY17, or expanded standard features with similar base prices.
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But that is the point and why people are upset. It's not like BMW is going to lower the price of their cars with the 2017 model. If anything, the 2017 will be a little more expensive or at least the same. Beginning in 2017, customers will simply get less for their money. Same price or more expensive car as before, no more free maintenance. End of the day though, we are talking about like $300-$500. If you buy or lease a $36 - $55000 car and are going to take your ball and go home over $500... I mean, come on now.
It's based more on principle than practicality. In the US, BMW is luxury car company and luxury car owners don't like to be nickeled & dimed. If BMW wants to give us the Chevy experience, why wouldn't we just buy Chevys?
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It's based more on principle than practicality. In the US, BMW is luxury car company and luxury car owners don't like to be nickeled & dimed. If BMW wants to give us the Chevy experience, why wouldn't we just buy Chevys?
Except they are still giving a better maintenance warranty than their luxury competitors. I'm curious if many BMW owners make their buying decision based on this benefit.

An other important point is BMW has barely raised the price of the F30 since it added standard features for the 2013 models. Would you rather pay more for the car and get the maintenance or have a lower retail price and high residuals.
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Nope. 3 yr/36,000 miles maintenance until at least MY 2000. Not sure what year it changed after that, but my 2004 ZHP did have 4 yr/50,000 miles maintenance.
You're right, my mistake. I was under the impression it was the same length as the warranty.
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Interesting. Glad I got in when I did. I have 46,000 miles before I need to decide what my next move will be.
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This may not be a bad thing for CPO buyers..*****ers will price these changes into the deal. What should result is our ability to get better pricing AND be free of the stealership + our beloved SAs sooner. When I CPOd my X5, the fact that it had the extended maintenance up to 100k factored into the price. I will gladly pay less for a CPO car and go visit an indie that I trust. Plus, maybe then I won't be tempted to go talk with the salesmen about that shiny M3 on the showroom floor while my car is in for service...
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back when this started the prices jumped with it

I don't see the prices dropping with them removing the best part of the "free" service
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Jan 1 the European Delivery discount went from 7 to 5% now this. The increases are starting to add up.
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They might as well change the name from "no cost" then.
They can just add an * next to "no cost*". It's like getting one of those Macy's coupons with 30% of "Everything* in the Store", and the exclusions at the *on the bottom are 5 lines long....
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This may not be a bad thing for CPO buyers..*****ers will price these changes into the deal. What should result is our ability to get better pricing AND be free of the stealership + our beloved SAs sooner. When I CPOd my X5, the fact that it had the extended maintenance up to 100k factored into the price. I will gladly pay less for a CPO car and go visit an indie that I trust. Plus, maybe then I won't be tempted to go talk with the salesmen about that shiny M3 on the showroom floor while my car is in for service...
They must have already cut this back, because CPO factory maintenance now only covers the original warranty period, not the CPO warranty period.
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Major advantage for buying or leasing a BMW is their generous comprehensive warranty policy, with it being trimmed, I find myself considering other options.
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Major advantage for buying or leasing a BMW is their generous comprehensive warranty policy, with it being trimmed, I find myself considering other options.
How is the warranty being trimmed?
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How is the warranty being trimmed?

Page one of this thread has a chart indicating services that will no longer be covered.
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Page one of this thread has a chart indicating services that will no longer be covered.
Those are not warranty items--they are maintenance items. When your wiper blades wear out, they are not covered under warranty; they are replaced under the maintenance program. They are different programs; if something with an "x" on that chart is faulty, it would still be replaced under warranty; but it's not replaced if it wears out under normal wear and tear.
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Time to swithc the brand afer 18 years of being a loyal customer... ED program downgraded and now they are shortchaning on maintenance.
This post below sums up exactly what I don't understand about the post above. 18 years of loyalty to a brand is not because BMW pays for maintenance for 4 years--suddenly, the program is shortened by 1 year, which is in all likelihood going to be one service interval, and the car you have loved for 18 years is just going to be dumped? C'mon now is exactly right...

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But that is the point and why people are upset. It's not like BMW is going to lower the price of their cars with the 2017 model. If anything, the 2017 will be a little more expensive or at least the same. Beginning in 2017, customers will simply get less for their money. Same price or more expensive car as before, no more free maintenance. End of the day though, we are talking about like $300-$500. If you buy or lease a $36 - $55000 car and are going to take your ball and go home over $500... I mean, come on now.
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Those are not warranty items--they are maintenance items. When your wiper blades wear out, they are not covered under warranty; they are replaced under the maintenance program. They are different programs; if something with an "x" on that chart is faulty, it would still be replaced under warranty; but it's not replaced if it wears out under normal wear and tear.
Say what you wish, but prior to this announcement, all items indicated in Pink was covered by a single Comprehensive Warranty Program.
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Say what you wish, but prior to this announcement, all items indicated in Pink was covered by a single Comprehensive Warranty Program.
Learn the difference between maintenance and warranty. This is really not a difficult concept.
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