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Old 01-07-2016, 09:18 AM
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Wouldn't it increase dealer revenue? Customers will have to pay the dealer the retail service costs, rather than the dealer being reimbursed by BMW, which probably uses a standard reimbursement schedule, which is very likely a lower cost than is charged to the customer (kind of like insurance reimbursements vs. doctor charges direct to patients).
I see your point. I guess it depends on 2 factors: What the dealer receives for service in the maintenance plan vs. the retail price; and what percentage of customers will use an independent during the 4th year of ownership. I'm quite sure their data shows the corporation benefiting at the expense of the customer in their projected scenarios.
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With the Jag it's not the maintenance that matters, its the warranty.
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Thanks for the heads up, Jaguar's limited warranty is an issue.
I'm pretty sure the point was that Jags are historically and notoriously unreliable, so you will really want a longer warranty, much more so than a longer maintenance plan.
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Between this and the mileage overage increase for leases, I'm gonna be tempted to look at other brands next time my lease is up.
When did the mileage overage change for leases? and what did it change too?
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:51 AM
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Can you post info about when they extended the brake fluid interval?
I don't know when it changed, but my 2016 340i that has a July 2015 build date calls for a brake fluid change on the CBS in July 2018... so looks like it is now three years.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:00 AM
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This post below sums up exactly what I don't understand about the post above. 18 years of loyalty to a brand is not because BMW pays for maintenance for 4 years--suddenly, the program is shortened by 1 year, which is in all likelihood going to be one service interval, and the car you have loved for 18 years is just going to be dumped? C'mon now is exactly right...
Exactly. It's ridiculous. You loved the car so much and were that loyal because BMW picked up the tab on your oil changes?
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I'm pretty sure the point was that Jags are historically and notoriously unreliable, so you will really want a longer warranty, much more so than a longer maintenance plan.
Historically Jags do not have a good reputation however since new ownership arrived quality control has been improved. Our neighbor was a Mercedes guy, E Klass. Car spent more time in service than in his garage, feed up he leased an XF and followed by leasing an F Type. He's happy to report, no problems. By the way he can best be described as spirited driver and has tickets to prove it. It's a small sample size but it's consistent with other reports regarding Jags, as for Rang Rovers not so sure. Back to BMW if they did not compromise handling and performance for the 3ER-4ER+ 5ER, for the sake of expanding their consumer base the announced cutbacks would not be an issue.
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Looked it up and correct, comprehensive bumper to bumper maintenance package plus warranty makes Jaguar worth a look.
Can you actually get the XE yet in the US? And if you can the only options are a diesel, the crappy old I4 and the V6. For most of those looking at a 328i Jaguar has no comparable car until the new I4 is introduced.
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Jan 1 the European Delivery discount went from 7 to 5% now this. The increases are starting to add up.
It looks like many goodies are rolled back(e.g. ED discount, free maintenance and transfers, RV%, MF), maybe BMWAG/BMWNA has gained enough market share, or it is just that the cheap money is disappearing so the company needs to be down-to-earth just like other automakers.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:25 AM
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Can you actually get the XE yet in the US? And if you can the only options are a diesel, the crappy old I4 and the V6. For most of those looking at a 328i Jaguar has no comparable car until the new I4 is introduced.
Jaguar reports say the high end XE will arrive first with lessor powered models to follow. Imagine allocations for the first batch of XE are already spoken. Look for Jaguar as well as Range Rover to introduce the new I4 rather than continue to import Ford's turbo 4.
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Jaguar reports say the high end XE will arrive first with lessor powered models to follow. Imagine allocations for the first batch of XE are already spoken. Look for Jaguar as well as Range Rover to introduce the new I4 rather than continue to import Ford's turbo 4.
Thanks for the info.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:36 AM
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Man, you guys who are able to go 40-50k miles on a set of brakes baffle me. I hope this is common, because on all my Japanese cars I had to replace front brakes at around 18k miles (FWD cars). If I can get through this lease without brake work I'll be impressed.

It seems this new policy will affect dealer service revenue the most. After all, not only are they cutting the maintenance period by 25%, but they're also cutting out the most expensive services. This is going to hit them.
Out of 23 BMW's, I have only put brakes on 3 of them. One was a brass hat (BMW demo) that had worn brakes when I got it and the other two were out of the ordinary. Usually, I see almost 100k miles on the original brakes and pads. BMW uses very good long life brakes and rotors and, unless you do a ton of stop and go driving, your pads and rotors will last a long time.
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After cutting off second owners on maintenance plan regardless of the car's age/mileage, BMW now cuts off also first owners after 3 years/36,000 miles. I guess BMW realized that even BMW cannot afford to maintain BMWs after 36,000 miles. That's what I would call awesome marketing. Pure genius.
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Out of 23 BMW's, I have only put brakes on 3 of them. One was a brass hat (BMW demo) that had worn brakes when I got it and the other two were out of the ordinary. Usually, I see almost 100k miles on the original brakes and pads. BMW uses very good long life brakes and rotors and, unless you do a ton of stop and go driving, your pads and rotors will last a long time.
Are yours MT or AT cars? My old 6MT got new brakes around 90k miles, the new 8AT shows 50-60k for brakes.
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It looks like many goodies are rolled back(e.g. ED discount, free maintenance and transfers, RV%, MF), maybe BMWAG/BMWNA has gained enough market share, or it is just that the cheap money is disappearing so the company needs to be down-to-earth just like other automakers.
I think it is BMWNA deciding that they have gained enough market share that they can roll back various perks and still maintain their sales goals. If or not that is true remains to be seen. I personally think most people will accept the changes and stay in a BMW. I always cross shop Mercedes, Audi and Porsche before I pick up a new car. Nevertheless, having done that over the past several years, I overwhelmingly have picked a new BMW over the competition. This time was VERY close, I picked a x6 over a Audi SQ5 and I almost purchased the SQ5. It took my local dealer doing some deep discounting to beat out my local Audi dealer to keep me in the BMW.
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Are yours MT or AT cars? My old 6MT got new brakes around 90k miles, the new 8AT shows 50-60k for brakes.
Very astute observation. The vast majority of them were 6MT up until my F10 535 in 2011. That was my last 6MT BMW. Ever since the F10, they have all been DCT and 8AT. The new DCT's and 8AT's are so good that I have given up the 6MT. Now, having said that, I notice that my newer BMW brakes seem to last longer than the older models and I suspect that BMW switched to longer lasting pads and rotors in recent years. So my switch to AT/DCT has not resulted in more frequent brake changes for me and it is ironic that the 3 cars that did end up getting new brakes prior to 50k miles were all 6MT models made before 2010. I have not done a brake job on any F chassis code BMW that I have owned.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:45 AM
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After cutting off second owners on maintenance plan regardless of the car's age/mileage, BMW now cuts off also first owners after 3 years/36,000 miles. I guess BMW realized that even BMW cannot afford to maintain BMWs after 36,000 miles. That's what I would call awesome marketing. Pure genius.
I really don't think it is about affording it. I think it is about trying to increase PROFITS for BMW corporate (by keeping the MSRP the same and offering less coverage for the same or higher cost). Just my gut feeling...
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Reduction of free maintenance is a bummer, though in my experience, maintenance can be quite inexpensive if done by a reputable independent. In the end, though, market forces will determine what programs BMW offers to its customers.

We've had it good in the US for quite a while.
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I see them as two different things: behavior and environment. I'm notorious for coasting and compression braking up to traffic stopped at a light. It's funny how many people pass me with their foot still on the gas and then have to stomp on the brakes. ... same environment, different behavior, and different outcomes.
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Is this a North America change only or is it a world wide warranty policy change for the MY2017 cars?
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Is this a North America change only or is it a world wide warranty policy change for the MY2017 cars?
It's a U.S. MAINTENANCE coverage change. The warranty is unaffected.
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I really don't think it is about affording it. I think it is about trying to increase PROFITS for BMW corporate (by keeping the MSRP the same and offering less coverage for the same or higher cost). Just my gut feeling...
My comment was tongue in cheek. But even so, if your PROFITS suffer because of the included maintenance at unchanged MSRP, that simply means you cannot afford it
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Caught me out! I meant to type maintenance and somehow my brain defaulted to warranty.

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Caught me out! I meant to type maintenance and somehow my brain defaulted to warranty.
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Out of 23 BMW's, I have only put brakes on 3 of them. One was a brass hat (BMW demo) that had worn brakes when I got it and the other two were out of the ordinary. Usually, I see almost 100k miles on the original brakes and pads. BMW uses very good long life brakes and rotors and, unless you do a ton of stop and go driving, your pads and rotors will last a long time.
Let's hope this doesn't change with the new policy. Remember when you couldn't break a home phone if you threw it out the window. Since The Phone Companies were no longer responsible for the actual phone itself they break if you look at them the wrong way.
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Out of 23 BMW's, I have only put brakes on 3 of them. One was a brass hat (BMW demo) that had worn brakes when I got it and the other two were out of the ordinary. Usually, I see almost 100k miles on the original brakes and pads. BMW uses very good long life brakes and rotors and, unless you do a ton of stop and go driving, your pads and rotors will last a long time.
This is beyond comprehension. 100k miles on a set of brakes? Do you only drive uphill? I'm feeling proud of myself when I get past 20k on a set of front pads. I'm eager to see how far my 328i will go.
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