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Old 10-11-2016, 05:38 AM
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Wow few grand below invoice !! What was the msrp??
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Old 10-11-2016, 06:00 AM
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Old 10-11-2016, 06:07 AM
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Old 10-11-2016, 06:19 AM
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Selling price was $52,950. If I did my calculations right off of the price guide, I think I got a good deal?
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Old 10-11-2016, 08:32 AM
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Selling price was $52,950. If I did my calculations right off of the price guide, I think I got a good deal?
After incentives, right? Looks like you got a bit under $2k under invoice.

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Old 10-11-2016, 11:10 AM
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Old 10-11-2016, 11:19 AM
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Not sure what the incentives mean? It was my first bmw, so there was no preferred buyer or whatever they call it.

It was from Park Ave BMW.
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Old 10-11-2016, 11:22 AM
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Had a feeling it was from there lol Lenny is a good guy as well as Sab. Enjoy the 440 it's a beauty. Gotta post pics in the future though. Prefect day to ride
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:53 PM
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Not sure what the incentives mean? It was my first bmw, so there was no preferred buyer or whatever they call it.

It was from Park Ave BMW.
It means the price you got is after applying the BMW NA promotions/incentives such as loyalty credit (you didn't get this), options credit (everybody can get this extra $1k off now), recent graduate credit ($1k), military/USAA discount ($1500), corporate fleet discount, ect.

Typically you negotiate a price with a dealer (such as $500 over invoice), and then apply these incentives on top of that, which can take you below invoice cost, but the effective sales price for the dealer is the original negotiated price.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:53 PM
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Selling price was $52,950. If I did my calculations right off of the price guide, I think I got a good deal?
You got a good price, yes. Invoice would have been around 54.5k and on a 2016 there is a 1500 option credit, so that means if you got a 2016 you were at invoice minus incentives roughly, and if you got a 2017 you were (roughly) $500 under invoice minus incentives.

Both of those are really good deals. Since the option credits get applied as a reduction in sales price (basically making the invoice lower), you got invoice or 500 under (not a few grand under invoice), but its still a great daeal.
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Old 10-16-2016, 06:42 PM
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Need a little perspective on whether or not I'm getting a good deal on a 2017 430i X-Drive convertible... MSRP is $62,905. So, invoice is about $59,000, right? I did the deal at $56,000. This would be due to loyalty and options credits, I would presume? Seems like a good deal to me, no?
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Old 10-17-2016, 09:31 AM
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Need a little perspective on whether or not I'm getting a good deal on a 2017 430i X-Drive convertible... MSRP is $62,905. So, invoice is about $59,000, right? I did the deal at $56,000. This would be due to loyalty and options credits, I would presume? Seems like a good deal to me, no?
I got your invoice a around $59k too (a bit above). What incentives did you have other than the $1k options and $1k loyalty credits? Or was your deal $1k under invoice before incentives? Seems pretty good to me.
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:45 PM
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Does the 2017 model support Android Auto, and do you need to purchase any options/packages to support that? I read that it should support Apple Carplay, but I couldn't find any info about either on BMW site.
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:47 PM
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Does the 2017 model support Android Auto, and do you need to purchase any options/packages to support that? I read that it should support Apple Carplay, but I couldn't find any info about either on BMW site.
Not that I'm aware of. BMW does support some BMW Apps from Android but that is not the same as Android Auto.

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Old 10-28-2016, 03:40 PM
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Not that I'm aware of. BMW does support some BMW Apps from Android but that is not the same as Android Auto.

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Thanks. Just did a quick check and BMW supports Apple Carplay on many 2017 models but not Android, yet Mercedes and Audi all support Android Auto. I really hate this as an avid Android user
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Yeah, that is what I remembered. BMW loves Apple but not so much for Google. You might want to check this out -

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=936867

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2017 BMW 430i Convertible pricing and details - Nov 2017

The original post was dated June 2016, so I thought I'd provide the details of an order I just placed for a 2017 BMW 430i Convertible.

With my list of bells and whistles, the MSRP was $64,495 for my order. As a veteran, the USAA price available now (Mid-Nov 2016) with $1,500 incentive would have cost $59,425. However, that required in-stock or other delivery by January 1. Since I placed an order for that can't be delivered for 2-3 months, I had to settle for the higher TrueCar price of $60,206.

My build link is http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...?CMId=d7o7wijh

If you want the build codes, not shown in that link, that build includes:

2017 430i Convertible (174J)
Melbourne Red Metallic (P0A75)
Black Dakota Leather with Red highlight and Red stitching (FLCL3)
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The original post was dated June 2016, so I thought I'd provide the details of an order I just placed for a 2017 BMW 430i Convertible.

With my list of bells and whistles, the MSRP was $64,495 for my order. As a veteran, the USAA price available now (Mid-Nov 2016) with $1,500 incentive would have cost $59,425. However, that required in-stock or other delivery by January 1. Since I placed an order for that can't be delivered for 2-3 months, I had to settle for the higher TrueCar price of $60,206.
Just a FYI, you might want to play with the BMW config and see what a 440i vert will cost with your options, since many of the features of the options you are getting on the 430i is standard on the 440i vert. The added power in the 440i to me is worth the extra money since the added weight of the vert will play into this.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:23 AM
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Just a FYI, you might want to play with the BMW config and see what a 440i vert will cost with your options, since many of the features of the options you are getting on the 430i is standard on the 440i vert. The added power in the 440i to me is worth the extra money since the added weight of the vert will play into this.
Thanks Eagle11. On your suggestion I went back to play with the build for the 440i. What I found was that upgrading from the 430i to the 440i included only the $2200 Premium Package as standard. It also added $7000 for the bigger engine with a net MSRP increase of $4800. Here is the new build link:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...?CMId=d7s8jkuf

In any case, my wife made the decision for the 430i at 248 HP, which is already more powerful than her trade-in Lexus IS 250c at 204 HP, and laughed during the 440i test drive that the additional power would only help her collect more speeding tickets.

On a more practical TCO level, the 430i also keeps her new car loan (after trade-in) right at her $30K target, with the additional benefit of better gas mileage (23/34 vs 21/29 MPG).

That being said, I appreciate your input which helped reaffirm our decision-making process.
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New pricing and ordering docs uploaded. Some slight changes to the details, but nothing major.

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I'm going to get a new 430 GC and probably will try my luck on the last day of 2016 lol. My co-worker suggested me to go for 20% below MSRP. He based this on his purchase of a Mercedes C300 this April for $38,000 plus tax (MSRP $45,xxx, so 15+% off MSRP). His negotiation completed under 20 minutes with 2 rounds of offer and counter offer, which makes him think he could have knocked another 1 or 2k off. And April is not the best time of the year to buy a new car, though I'm not sure which month new C class hits the market. He based his 15+% off on an offer he received on an Acura as a Costco member at a similar discount percentage.

My local dealer (San Francisco bay area) advertise price is about 10% off MSRP on the 430 and other models. So 20% off sounds reasonable on the last day of 2016 then? Also, is it true that generally speaking you have less negotiation room with bigger dealers, and more with smaller dealers located in less expensive residential areas? Thanks guys.

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I'm going to get a new 430 GC and probably will try my luck on the last day of 2016 lol. My co-worker suggested me to go for 20% below MSRP. He based this on his purchase of a Mercedes C300 this April for $38,000 plus tax (MSRP $45,xxx, so 15+% off MSRP). His negotiation completed under 20 minutes with 2 rounds of offer and counter offer, which makes him think he could have knocked another 1 or 2k off. And April is not the best time of the year to buy a new car, though I'm not sure which month new C class hits the market. He based his 15+% off on an offer he received on an Acura as a Costco member at a similar discount percentage.

My local dealer (San Francisco bay area) advertise price is about 10% off MSRP on the 430 and other models. So 20% off sounds reasonable on the last day of 2016 then? Also, is it true that generally speaking you have less negotiation room with bigger dealers, and more with smaller dealers located in less expensive residential areas? Thanks guys.
I have never, ever, heard of 20% off of a new model year car on either here or f30post. Let us know how it goes.
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I'm going to get a new 430 GC and probably will try my luck on the last day of 2016 lol. My co-worker suggested me to go for 20% below MSRP. He based this on his purchase of a Mercedes C300 this April for $38,000 plus tax (MSRP $45,xxx, so 15+% off MSRP). His negotiation completed under 20 minutes with 2 rounds of offer and counter offer, which makes him think he could have knocked another 1 or 2k off. And April is not the best time of the year to buy a new car, though I'm not sure which month new C class hits the market. He based his 15+% off on an offer he received on an Acura as a Costco member at a similar discount percentage.

My local dealer (San Francisco bay area) advertise price is about 10% off MSRP on the 430 and other models. So 20% off sounds reasonable on the last day of 2016 then? Also, is it true that generally speaking you have less negotiation room with bigger dealers, and more with smaller dealers located in less expensive residential areas? Thanks guys.
No, 20% does not sound reasonable, but good luck with it. There is always the chance of a car aging on someones lot that they REALLY want to sell, and that can happen at any time (last of the year doesnt matter on that). You might be able to get a big discount if you take the car on the dealers lot that had been sitting the longest.

/shrug.. like I said, targetting 20% does not sound reasonable unless there are some other circumstances.. aging car, demo car with miles, special ordered car that dealer cant sell that has been sitting for 90 days, etc. You could get lucky in your unicorn hunt though.
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Okay, so 20% may be a stretch then lol. But a C Class can be had 15% off in April, and BMW is not doing well in NA http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=954518 , are they motivated at all to move some inventory? I dont know man, I really dont know what to expect. I may start with 20% off and see what counteroffer I get.

What about which dealership is more likely to give a better price, bigger with more inventory to choose from, vs smaller and in relatively remote area? The bigger one doesn't even followup after test drive, the smaller ones from what I heard seem more motivated to sell you a car.
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Okay, so 20% may be a stretch then lol. But a C Class can be had 15% off in April, and BMW is not doing well in NA http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=954518 , are they motivated at all to move some inventory? I dont know man, I really dont know what to expect. I may start with 20% off and see what counteroffer I get.

What about which dealership is more likely to give a better price, bigger with more inventory to choose from, vs smaller and in relatively remote area? The bigger one doesn't even followup after test drive, the smaller ones from what I heard seem more motivated to sell you a car.
You cant generalize "which dealership is more lkely to give me a deal thats way below invoice" (more than double off below invoice, because invoice is 7% off of MSRP). Thats going to be an aging car on a lot with unpopular options. The dealership that might do this is the one that needs to move THAT car (thats why I called it a unicorn hunt).

You have mentioned what someone got off a merc earlier in the year, and I hope you know that means absolutely ZERO in what you can possibly get off a BMW now. Those two things are not related at all.

You are right that BMW is down in North American this year... but did you also see that as a company they are having a record year in world wide sales? People keep thinking that BMW NA is hurting and should be discounting more, but they are not. What does that mean? It means that BMW is not hurting (record year) and decided not to run all the specials in NA this year that they have in the past. That doesnt sound like a company that is "hurting" to me.

In order to hit your target pricing, you need to search for a demo car, or a car that has been sitting for a long time... size of dealership doesnt matter. What matters is if THAT car will push the dealer into qualifying for holdback or whatever. THATS how you get a huge discount, and you have to be patient and be willing to take whatever you find (again thats why I called it a unicorn hunt). Some people enjoy that, if thats you, have fun with it.
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