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F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current)
The sixth generation BMW 3 Series Sedan F30/F31/F34 and the first first generation 4 Series Coupe F32/F33/F36. Get the latest 3 and 4 series pricing from our ordering and pricing guide sticky thread.

View Poll Results: Am I The Only One Who Likes Their F30?
Yes, You're the only one. You're on your second F30. Whats wrong with you? 7 6.54%
NO, I love my car. Its all a bunch of hype! 86 80.37%
Sort of but I can't wait until my lease is up so I can jump ship. 8 7.48%
Bro, do you even Cadillac? 6 5.61%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-04-2017, 06:14 PM
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POLL: Am I The Only One Who Likes Their F30?

Serious poll. I am starting to think I am the only one based on how so many people talking on here. Bitching about the 'numb' steering, about the infotainment, the Nav, the suspension, you name it. Read some Car and Driver reviews etc. and you would think this is the worst car on the market, despite it being the 2nd highest selling luxury car in the United States next to the C300.

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/articles...ar-luxury-cars

I drove my friend's C300 shortly after he got it and while it was nice, I didn't think it matched my car's driving dynamics. Have driven my friend's IS200t a few times.. Blah. Haven't driven the new A4 but its supposed to be the second coming. Have spent plenty of seat time in the previous gen A4 and the BMW beats it, in my opinion. Is there some other car in the class I don't know about?
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:49 PM
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I had an E91 that I loved, running on Bridgestone all-weather tires. When I got my F31, I noticed that I was effortlessly driving faster on some of the narrow, winding New England roads near here, and in greater comfort, but I also noticed that even when I could, I didn't drive the car as near its limits as I had the older car. I noticed the numb steering and a strong tendency to understeer. My first efforts were to increase tire pressures, more in the front than the back, and that helped. Then I switched to Continental summer high performance tires, replacing the original Pirelli P7 all-weather tires. The numb steering disappeared, but the tires were harsh, noisy, and wore quickly. Now I have P7 summer tires on the car--not the higher performance P Zero--and these are my personal sweet spot, blending responsiveness with a quiet, comfortable ride.

Tire Rack uses the term "steering response" for what the engineers call slip angle. When the metal wheel turns, the rubber twists slightly, so that the contact patch lags a little behind the turn of the metal wheel rim. My experience was that the numb "steering" was actually a numb tire, or a tire with high slip angles. I do use Tire Rack, but I now know to ask for a tire with a better steering response.

Now when I read a review I always look to see what tires are mounted. I just read a Car and Driver comparison that included a 540, and two cars mounted on better tires placed ahead of the BMW. I was not surprised. I am surprised that BMW supplies cars to be tested with anything other than the best tires. These cars deserve the best tires.
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:51 PM
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I drove all the cars you mentioned, except Lexus was IS250 and 350 and sure tried Acura and Infinity.
First I compared them to my current E90 328 2011. Right after the test moving on mine did not leave any doubt that BMW is better for me. No questions.
Since my CPO (the second lease of my 2011) will expire March 2018 and I want to return the car by end of November, sure my look is toward F30. And the target is 330. Drove it recently for couple of days and multiple times F30 328. For me it is better than other brands. The feeling is strange when drive it - love it. When come home say no 2011 is better. In the morning drive it again feels absolutely fine. The steering is "no good".
But there is no other option and all of them today the same heck... I guess it is matter of couple of weeks of driving and I will forget it.
For me no dilemma... I will go with BMW. Something "incredibly" deep inside for it...
What is true - I will never purchase it. Lease only with FULL warranty and maintenance .
I guess your POLL is actual... as it could be one of cumulative treads about F30.
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There was a lot to love about my F30. It just didn't motivate me to search out the great back roads. That's a sin to me, especially when I'm spending $44k on what I think of as a sports sedan. I get that feeling now in my GTI. I do miss the tremendous N20 engine which makes the VW engine seem like a lawnmower power plant.
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Serious poll. I am starting to think I am the only one based on how so many people talking on here. Bitching about the 'numb' steering, about the infotainment, the Nav, the suspension, you name it. Read some Car and Driver reviews etc. and you would think this is the worst car on the market, despite it being the 2nd highest selling luxury car in the United States next to the C300.



http://www.jdpower.com/cars/articles...ar-luxury-cars



I drove my friend's C300 shortly after he got it and while it was nice, I didn't think it matched my car's driving dynamics. Have driven my friend's IS200t a few times.. Blah. Haven't driven the new A4 but its supposed to be the second coming. Have spent plenty of seat time in the previous gen A4 and the BMW beats it, in my opinion. Is there some other car in the class I don't know about?


I like my 335i. The adaptive suspension is awesome and it can get up to 35mpg on the highway. Yes the e90 has better steering but the f30 is a better everyday day. The ride quality of a f30 adaptive suspension with summer tires is incredible in the crappy roads of new jersey. As for the e90, an e90 with base suspension and 16in tires rides worst than a B8 S4 with 19in tires. I have driven the competition and I will pick my cars setup over them.
If the car has to have a base suspension than that a different story


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I fear that BMW's need for a sports sedan is less because BMW only has to have a little sportiness compared to a luxo-barge to sell cars. Going too much like a sports sedan would hurt sales. I don't like that.

With Maserati going up market in price, Saab dead, Volvo not having to compete with Saab, no more Lancia in the US, and Peugeot long gone from the US (that wasn't too much of a loss), BMW may become German Lexus.
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Old 04-04-2017, 07:59 PM
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lol Cadillac. I absolutely love my F30. While i cannot compare it to the aforementioned competitors, I can compare it to my previous car, a VW wagon. After surviving dieselgate, the buyback, and associated environmental damage here in the U.S. there is no way I'll step foot in a Volkswagon/Audi product ever again. So I decided to aim straight for the top of German engineering, and purchased a CPO 2014 328ix over the phone sight unseen. I'm currently not disappointed. Even after a seemingly dull commute by performance car standards, one glance to the right over the dash leaves me with a great deal of satisfaction: the auto stop start appears flawless, just right heated leather seats are very nice, HVAC phenomenal, and comfort access is more convenient than I had ever imagined (in the snow, with work gear, coffee, etc.) just a well put together vehicle. The handling follows suit as far as I'm concerned, with plenty of good power mated to a slick 8 speed automatic. Keeping in mind yes I did come from a wagon, however lots of mechanical experience including my first car, an '84 318i. Overall I'm extremely happy with the cari.. Future plans are to keep it clean and shiny, tint the widows, and above all- drive it! These are driver's cars for those who take pride in good driving!! Happy motoring

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There was a lot to love about my F30. It just didn't motivate me to search out the great back roads. That's a sin to me, especially when I'm spending $44k on what I think of as a sports sedan. I get that feeling now in my GTI. I do miss the tremendous N20 engine which makes the VW engine seem like a lawnmower power plant.
I hear you, to a degree, but I find myself taking the long back way via Angeles Crest Highway fairly often in this car. You can't throw it around like my old GTI, its an automatic which will just never be as fun in my opinion. Someone mentioned tires and I really thinking putting a proper set of non run flat tires on this car is going to solve the few gripes I have with it.
Nice to see you admit that about the n20 engine vs. the 4 banger in the VW. BMW worked magic with this 4 cylinder engine. Even with Motor Trend or whoever it was totally panning the 330i for being too soft or whatever, they couldn't deny how flawless the engine/trans combo is.

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lol Cadillac. I absolutely love my F30. While i cannot compare it to the aforementioned competitors, I can compare it to my previous car, a VW wagon. After surviving dieselgate, the buyback, and associated environmental damage here in the U.S. there is no way I'll step foot in a Volkswagon/Audi product ever again. So I decided to aim straight for the top of German engineering, and purchased a CPO 2014 328ix over the phone sight unseen. I'm currently not disappointed. Even after a seemingly dull commute by performance car standards, one glance to the right over the dash leaves me with a great deal of satisfaction: the auto stop start appears flawless, just right heated leather seats are very nice, HVAC phenomenal, and comfort access is more convenient than I had ever imagined (in the snow, with work gear, coffee, etc.) just a well put together vehicle. The handling follows suit as far as I'm concerned, with plenty of good power mated to a slick 8 speed automatic. Keeping in mind yes I did come from a wagon, however lots of mechanical experience including my first car, an '84 318i. Overall I'm extremely happy with the cari.. Future plans are to keep it clean and shiny, tint the widows, and above all- drive it! These are driver's cars for those who take pride in good driving!! Happy motoring
You sum up the cars attributes well. I didn't realize how much I would love comfort access until I had it. I also had it coded to where the doors lock and mirrors fold in with one touch of the door handle and vise versa for unlocking unfolding. Cool feature. Love the kick under the trunk open feature too. Thought it was a gimmick until I was carrying my toddler out to the car from the store with a bunch of groceries in one arm and her in the other. Mr mom...

And yeah, Cadillac ATS bro. Best sports sedan ever. Sold exactly 5 in the US.
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You sum up the cars attributes well. I didn't realize how much I would love comfort access until I had it. I also had it coded to where the doors lock and mirrors fold in with one touch of the door handle and vise versa for unlocking unfolding. Cool feature. Love the kick under the trunk open feature too. Thought it was a gimmick until I was carrying my toddler out to the car from the store with a bunch of groceries in one arm and her in the other. Mr mom...

And yeah, Cadillac ATS bro. Best sports sedan ever. Sold exactly 5 in the US.
Folding the mirrors is a great idea, slick coding- not only to prevent other doors from hitting them, but also in the case of street parking to alert others the car is unoccupied. Could the BMW Connected App do this too? I'm about 1/40 with the trunk opening... Even after watching YouTube videos I've given up for fear of looking really weird in the parking lot!

It's like sure, plenty of companies offer vehicles with similar features/specs to ours.. but wouldn't you rather pay a few extra grand for a brand pressuming it's designed by world renowned engineers, made with top quality parts? Well yea!!

Only possible, and I mean possible gripe I might have would be with: oil, driveshafts, and dash buttons
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Folding the mirrors is a great idea, slick coding- not only to prevent other doors from hitting them, but also in the case of street parking to alert others the car is unoccupied. Could the BMW Connected App do this too? I'm about 1/40 with the trunk opening... Even after watching YouTube videos I've given up for fear of looking really weird in the parking lot!

It's like sure, plenty of companies offer vehicles with similar features/specs to ours.. but wouldn't you rather pay a few extra grand for a brand pressuming it's designed by world renowned engineers, made with top quality parts? Well yea!!

Only possible, and I mean possible gripe I might have would be with: oil, driveshafts, and dash buttons
What is the oil gripe? No dipstick?

I guess what I need to remember is that if this were any other car, all the reviews would be different but I get it - BMW was the king and the ultimate driving machine for so long that when the brand starts to soften up or rather, starts feeling like other cars (mainly blame the EPS for this), it gets critiqued the hardest. But seriously, when I read these magazine reviews, I walk away thinking like, "what do you guys expect, a car made in 2017 to feel like a car made in 2001?" It all just reeks of nostalgia for me which begs the question - why not just buy one of thousands of used cars out there if you miss that feeling so much?

Bottom line is EPS is never going to feel like hydraulic steering. The steering thing is nothing new. Magazines have been complaining about this **** for ages now. Here is Road and Track listing one of the cons of the 2014 Audi A4 as 'numb steering'.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...audi-a4-2-0-t/

Whats funny is when I drove the C300, the steering felt, well...numb. It felt like EPS. EPS feels artificial. Because it is. It is like drive by wire throttle response. One of my main gripes with my Mk6 GTI was the drive by wire accelerator feel. Mush. Its even worse on my wifes Tiguan. That is what you get with an electromechanical actuator dictating the gas pedal feel and response vs. an actual mechanical linkage. What are you gonna do? You can watch porn on your phone in high definition at 30000 feet in an airplane bathroom. Think of that for a second. The technology! Yet people want their cars to feel like cars felt in 1995? Come on.

All I know is that this car is a car that I could drive from here to the opposite coast and back without breaking a sweat and I would be comfortable and relatively entertained the whole time. The rest is just static.
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I really enjoy my car, even if it doesn't have any (and I really mean any) steering feel. Super easy to drive, maneuverable, comfortable, economical, and fast. I must say, it's a very mature, day to day livable car. The suspension tuning is pretty well done, the 8AT is one of the best torque converter automatics ever shipped in a high volume vehicle, the power delivery is pretty entertaining (if not as linear as BMWs of old), but overall the car offers a pretty cohesive driving experience. It's dynamically pretty good, lots of grip and easy power coming out of corners if you keep it in the right part of the rev range. Very capable when driven hard, even if the steering response isn't super confidence inspiring. My chief complaint is that I can't create a custom driving mode with the steering in sport and gearbox in comfort. The sport mode shift mapping is ludicrous. I think it looks great in M Sport trim with the lighting package, and the M steering wheel is awesome.

I dunno, there's just a lot to like about the car, and all the kvetching about F30 over the years from the press, as valid as some of the criticisms are, have really downplayed how good it is overall.

So for what I want it to do, which is to be my "sensible car", the F30 has been great. For everything else (steering feel, an engine note, drama), I guess there are other cars.
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Kafkaesque328, looks like you got a definitive answer to the question you presented in the thread title!
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I suppose I've got used to it.

My old E90 had better handling but my f30 has perhaps a tad more M5 finesse...if that's the correct word.
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And yeah, Cadillac ATS bro. Best sports sedan ever. Sold exactly 5 in the US.
ATS does deliver among the sportiest chassis dynamics in the compact executive sedan class, definitely better than F30. However, F30 offers superior powertrains and does the "sedan" part of sports sedan better. So when considering the whole package, ATS isn't the best sports sedan ever. IMO, the Chevrolet SS (U.S. market Holden VF Commodore SS V) or BMW E39 M5 are better candidates for that honor.

ATS sales in the U.S. were slightly more than five: 1,367 last month and 3,346 YTD as of April 1.
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Firstly, it's a forum. Lots of people do come here to vent. whats the point of starting a thread to say 'I love my car'.

I do like my F30. The power train is solid and it drives well. Sure my GTI was better in the handling and my Acura was probably more reliable, but I pretty much got what I expected to get with the F30.

I do have my gripes - the seats are **** (didn't know about the sport seats when I bought the car and really wanted luxury line cos the other wheels aren't my cup of tea), sub par headlights and general rattles over rough roads/construction areas annoy me. These are unacceptable for a car with a sticker close to $50k.

But still love the car and I'm sure I'll be happy with it for the duration I keep it. However, unlike many here, I do see the appeal of the competition. The C and A4 seem better built and offer a quieter cabin (a big plus for me cos all the cars I've had so far aren't great with cabin noise). As for the interior, I really dig the no nonsense functional BMW interior. I'll take dials to fancy LCD screens any day.
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Btw, I am very disappointed your poll does not have an option for 'Accord V6'. /s
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ATS does deliver among the sportiest chassis dynamics in the compact executive sedan class, definitely better than F30. However, F30 offers superior powertrains and does the "sedan" part of sports sedan better. So when considering the whole package, ATS isn't the best sports sedan ever. IMO, the Chevrolet SS (U.S. market Holden VF Commodore SS V) or BMW E39 M5 are better candidates for that honor.

ATS sales in the U.S. were slightly more than five: 1,367 last month and 3,346 YTD as of April 1.
The MY01 E39 530i did get voted the best car tested ever by CR.

The E39 M5, and E46 M3, are two of the finest products from BMW M or non-M. The SS is very interesting, it probably is not in the M5 class, but definitely is a great replacement for E39 540i 6MT.

A great alternative to ATS can be the new Guilia, it is more spacious than ATS, but still handles quite well for its size, plus 290HP/500+HP to back it up.
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Voted love my car.

However I do miss my old E46 ZHP Coupe (330ci) and even the older E30 325i (anyone remember the hand-crank for the sunroof/pushing button to check system diagnostics?)

Do appreciate all the technology on today's F30. Find it hard to believe I get 26+ mpg at 80+ with a Turbo-6.
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:12 AM
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I absolutely love my F30..then again I came from a 2001 Focus
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I bought a 2014 F30 which was my 1st BMW and enjoyed the car for the 2 1/2 years that we owned it (my wife only so-so). We sold it last month with only 14k miles on it. It was problem free and I enjoyed driving it each I got behind the wheel.
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It's just meh.

That Cadillac ATS chassis tho... wow!
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Sometimes I think that people's notion of "sportiness" is akin to vinyl analogue with all its cracks and bumps being more accurate reproduction of sound than cd. I personally don't care to feel and hear every bump and gurgle when I drive, which seems what most people equate to "sporty". What matters is how it actually performs in the real world, and by that F30's outperform their e90 counter models.
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That's my beef though - my F30 feels less nimble, while riding more harshly than my brother's ATS.

It's a great car and very practical in daily use, but I am not as thrilled with it as I thought I would be.
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Originally Posted by motorwerkeman View Post
That's my beef though - my F30 feels less nimble, while riding more harshly than my brother's ATS.

It's a great car and very practical in daily use, but I am not as thrilled with it as I thought I would be.
"feel" is rather subjective. You should do a mini slalom and track test to see which performs better...although, you'd probably need to get the same tires on both.
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