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F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current)
The sixth generation BMW 3 Series Sedan F30/F31/F34 and the first first generation 4 Series Coupe F32/F33/F36. Get the latest 3 and 4 series pricing from our ordering and pricing guide sticky thread.

View Poll Results: Am I The Only One Who Likes Their F30?
Yes, You're the only one. You're on your second F30. Whats wrong with you? 7 6.48%
NO, I love my car. Its all a bunch of hype! 87 80.56%
Sort of but I can't wait until my lease is up so I can jump ship. 8 7.41%
Bro, do you even Cadillac? 6 5.56%
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Steering - it seems a lot of people think BMW's power steering is now steer-by-wire. It isn't. The steering is still 100% mechanical. The only thing electric is the small motor that provides the power assist. The main difference is that hydraulic power steering requires a pump that is run by a belt which pulls energy from the motor 100% of the time whether any steering power assist is necessary or not. The electric power assist motor uses a small amount of electricity and only when power assist is actually being delivered, such as when the steering wheel is actually being turned. When cruising down the highway in a relatively straight line no power steering assist is required and therefore no electricity is drawn to power the power assist motor. All of the actual steering inputs are still mechanical.
Thanks for the excellent description. It's no wonder that hydraulic power steering has almost been phased out in passenger cars and light trucks. Electric power steering is better in just about every way.

AFAIK, the only steer-by-wire system currently available in a production automobile is Nissan's Direct Adaptive Steering system introduced in the 2014 Nissan Skyline sedan, aka Infiniti Q50.
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Yeah that is a great description re: the steering.

Well, looks like a few naysayers have clouded my impressions.. So far 41 respondents voted that they love their cars.
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I love my 328 M-Sport MY 2014. 3 1/2 years old, 29,000 miles, and drives better than ever. Not a single problem since I bought it - well got the DT malfunction once, but went away after starting up next morning and never came back. Everything in the car seems to have aged very nicely. For example, the sport suspension is actually more compliant and better than when new. The interior and exterior is immaculate (always in garage, at home and office). Have not had to change anything except do the normal maintenance: 2 oil changes, spark plugs, front brake pads, tires and other basic stuff. I have driven other cars that boast more power, for example the 6-cyl Passat, and they come nowhere near the punch and excitement of the N20 engine. BTW, that VW engine, supposedly rated at 280 HP, is a piece crap compared to the bimmer engine.

FTR, I also get bummed seeing so much criticism of little things the bimmers don't have and matter so little (gimmicks, basically) compared to other comparably sized sedans. In fact, I like my current car so much that am now getting ready to spec a 340 M-Sport MY 2018. Am going to look at the Audi S4 as well, but think it is more expensive. Not interested in any other brand at this time.
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What is the oil gripe? No dipstick?
I should say *the need for: motor oil, driveshafts and dash buttons. But Tesla is probably not an entry level luxury sedan.
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So far 41 respondents voted that they love their cars.
A far less skewed poll would have achieved more meaningful results. You are getting the result your poll was designed to produce.

For example, a five point scale with 3 designated as neutral would have told you a great deal more.
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I posted on a similar thread on Planet 9 about new-and-improved 718 Cayman/Boxster and why all the hate. Simply, because there were 987 and 981 before it.

Similarly, there is really nothing wrong with F30. F30's only problem is that there were E90 and E46 on market before it. That is its only problem.

When E90 M3 came out, its only problem was S54 in E46 M3 and 200 pounds of fat. And so on. People who tried and loved previous stuff will not like the large changes. Period.

About vinyl/CD comparison ... some people like the background noise while doing something, they cannot care less whether the source is 1958 transistor radio or Revox tape hooked to McIntosh. Other people close themselves into propely made rooms to listen to the music. They will care.

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"feel" is rather subjective. You should do a mini slalom and track test to see which performs better...although, you'd probably need to get the same tires on both.
Well in about a week we will both be switching to Michelin PSS, so in the interest of science I think we should
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I bought a 2014 F30 which was my 1st BMW and enjoyed the car for the 2 1/2 years that we owned it (my wife only so-so). We sold it last month with only 14k miles on it. It was problem free and I enjoyed driving it each I got behind the wheel.
Wow, you must have taken a $ bath !!
Current loving my F30, no issues for 24000 my miles (it was purchased CPO).
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Well in about a week we will both be switching to Michelin PSS, so in the interest of science I think we should
I am going for the exact same tires in less than a year I think. These conti ssr summer runflats are a LOT harsher and noiser than the Pirelli Cinturatos I had on my 320i. I am hoping the Michelins offer an overall improvement in ride, comfort and feel
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Steering - it seems a lot of people think BMW's power steering is now steer-by-wire. It isn't. The steering is still 100% mechanical. The only thing electric is the small motor that provides the power assist. The main difference is that hydraulic power steering requires a pump that is run by a belt which pulls energy from the motor 100% of the time whether any steering power assist is necessary or not. The electric power assist motor uses a small amount of electricity and only when power assist is actually being delivered, such as when the steering wheel is actually being turned. When cruising down the highway in a relatively straight line no power steering assist is required and therefore no electricity is drawn to power the power assist motor. All of the actual steering inputs are still mechanical.

First, thanks for clearly explained electric-mechanic steering stuff.

let's imaging that the little electric motor will fail or better will be the option for switching it off or with some reduction of it's power.
I guess the "super steering" feel will be brought back to F30 like in before hydraulic era .
Seriously, just want to know the opinion.
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None of the options in the poll work for me.

I don't love my car like I did my E46, but I still think it is better than anything else on the market.

When I first bought my E46, I was so satisfied, I stopped looking at or reading about other cars for 5 years. It's only when it got close to 100K that I started thinking of replacing it and started looking at cars again. I put a ton of money in that car because I couldn't find anything else that excited me, but in the end I was spending so much time at the mechanic for non-scheduled things (it even left me stranded once when the starter failed) and the seats were getting too worn/uncomfortable that I decided to replace it. Still miss the sensations I experienced when I first got that car.

(I haven't yet tried the Giulia.)
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Similarly, there is really nothing wrong with F30. F30's only problem is that there were E90 and E46 on market before it. That is its only problem.
This is spot on!
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what is the oil gripe? No dipstick?

I guess what i need to remember is that if this were any other car, all the reviews would be different but i get it - bmw was the king and the ultimate driving machine for so long that when the brand starts to soften up or rather, starts feeling like other cars (mainly blame the eps for this), it gets critiqued the hardest. But seriously, when i read these magazine reviews, i walk away thinking like, "what do you guys expect, a car made in 2017 to feel like a car made in 2001?" it all just reeks of nostalgia for me which begs the question - why not just buy one of thousands of used cars out there if you miss that feeling so much?

Bottom line is eps is never going to feel like hydraulic steering. The steering thing is nothing new. Magazines have been complaining about this **** for ages now. Here is road and track listing one of the cons of the 2014 audi a4 as 'numb steering'.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...audi-a4-2-0-t/


whats funny is when i drove the c300, the steering felt, well...numb. It felt like eps. Eps feels artificial. Because it is. It is like drive by wire throttle response. One of my main gripes with my mk6 gti was the drive by wire accelerator feel. Mush. Its even worse on my wifes tiguan. That is what you get with an electromechanical actuator dictating the gas pedal feel and response vs. An actual mechanical linkage. What are you gonna do? You can watch porn on your phone in high definition at 30000 feet in an airplane bathroom. Think of that for a second. The technology! Yet people want their cars to feel like cars felt in 1995? Come on.



All i know is that this car is a car that i could drive from here to the opposite coast and back without breaking a sweat and i would be comfortable and relatively entertained the whole time. The rest is just static.
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This was my first BMW and while there is a lot to like about it, this will be my only BMW. Too much I don't like. It's too clinical and has no personality. Engine is great, style is great but the seats suck, steering is vague, and it has too many idiosyncrasies. The central vent on a different hot/cold, having to explain to new passengers they have to 'open' their door twice. And if I want to park close to a curb and open my door to do so, who the F is BMW to stop me by making the car refuse to move? I also have a 2014 Mustang GT 6 speed and I look forward to the nice days and taking it to work or out for a drive. I have never felt that way about the BMW. I had an X3 as a loaner and if those seats were in my 3 series maybe I'd dislike it less. Who knows.
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This was my first BMW and while there is a lot to like about it, this will be my only BMW. Too much I don't like. It's too clinical and has no personality. Engine is great, style is great but the seats suck, steering is vague, and it has too many idiosyncrasies. The central vent on a different hot/cold, having to explain to new passengers they have to 'open' their door twice. And if I want to park close to a curb and open my door to do so, who the F is BMW to stop me by making the car refuse to move? I also have a 2014 Mustang GT 6 speed and I look forward to the nice days and taking it to work or out for a drive. I have never felt that way about the BMW. I had an X3 as a loaner and if those seats were in my 3 series maybe I'd dislike it less. Who knows.
Thanks for your post. I personally don't think you will find many cars of this type (family sedans) that will have an definable personality. It just goes to show the subjectivity of car ownership. Same about the seats. Seating comfort is very personal. Also, do you know you can set the car so the doors open with one pull? Or if not, unlock the car first.
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BMW used to make cars that people felt special in at various price ranges. Think e46 325i - not a crazy expensive car, not crazy fast, but it sure has personality. Owners could "love" that car. Fast forward 15 years and my f30 335 m sport was far from special. In fact, it was so un-special that I broke my lease a year early and bought a pickup truck.


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And if I want to park close to a curb and open my door to do so, who the F is BMW to stop me by making the car refuse to move?
I agree, this is too nanny for me as well.

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I personally don't think you will find many cars of this type (family sedans) that will have an definable personality.
Unfortunately, this is true. However, the new Jaguar XE has more personality than a 3-series and the new Alfa probably does as well (I have yet to drive it).
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This was my first BMW and while there is a lot to like about it, this will be my only BMW. Too much I don't like. It's too clinical and has no personality. Engine is great, style is great but the seats suck, steering is vague, and it has too many idiosyncrasies. The central vent on a different hot/cold, having to explain to new passengers they have to 'open' their door twice. And if I want to park close to a curb and open my door to do so, who the F is BMW to stop me by making the car refuse to move? I also have a 2014 Mustang GT 6 speed and I look forward to the nice days and taking it to work or out for a drive. I have never felt that way about the BMW. I had an X3 as a loaner and if those seats were in my 3 series maybe I'd dislike it less. Who knows.
Some of my passengers get confused by double-pull but it is intuitive enough that they will follow the visual cue of latch pin up to pull the 2nd time. Some festers mentioned the car can be coded to unlock upon engine/ignition off, my choice is not to code as such since locked doors upon power-off is a safety feature to me.

The "no moving while door is opened" is encountered too during parking, it is actually good that makes me close the door in tight maneuvers and not scratch the door.
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^ I think the control for unlocking automatically when the car is off can be done in iDrive.
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Thanks for your post. I personally don't think you will find many cars of this type (family sedans) that will have an definable personality. It just goes to show the subjectivity of car ownership. Same about the seats. Seating comfort is very personal. Also, do you know you can set the car so the doors open with one pull? Or if not, unlock the car first.
Yes. I don't hear this a lot but when people complain about the sport seats I just kind of scratch my head. For my money they are some of the most comfortable and supportive seats on the market. Only car I have ever had that I did a 6 hour straight road trip in with virtually no fatigue. That people are actually option for/ordering the 'comfort seats' blows me away since I find those to be pretty uncomfortable. Different strokes
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I am one of the people that has complained about the seats. I have lower back issues and they get worse on long rides.

In this class the IS F-sport and the S60 R Design have better seats.

Maybe G20 will offer a true comfort seat option like the F10/G30. I would put those on par with the seats in the S60 R Design.
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^ I think the control for unlocking automatically when the car is off can be done in iDrive.
Mine only has options for "lock while car starts to drive" and "lock when no door is open", there is no "unlock when engine is off" option.

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Mine only has options for "lock while car starts to drive" and "lock when no door is open", there is no "unlock when engine is off" option.
That's what I have too. I probably confused it with hearing about someone's coding.
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Thanks for the excellent description. It's no wonder that hydraulic power steering has almost been phased out in passenger cars and light trucks. Electric power steering is better in just about every way.

AFAIK, the only steer-by-wire system currently available in a production automobile is Nissan's Direct Adaptive Steering system introduced in the 2014 Nissan Skyline sedan, aka Infiniti Q50.
This reminds me the components of hydraulic steering replaced in my old E39, namely, power steering pump, pressured power steering hoses, power steering fluid reservoirs. It is great that EPS replaces all of these components.
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This reminds me the components of hydraulic steering replaced in my old E39, namely, power steering pump, pressured power steering hoses, power steering fluid reservoirs. It is great that EPS replaces all of these components.
His description is not 100% accurate. There is still a belt that turns the rotary motion of the electric motor into the linear motion of the steering rack. And I would argue that simpler isn't always better. More efficient yes, Better at actual steering, I guess it depends on your definition.
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