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Old 06-17-2017, 12:06 PM
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Is the BMW brand oil 0W-30 the new 5W-30?

So I'm confused and at a crossroads, I bought oil from two different dealers. One sold me the the longlife-04 5w-30, but today the other dealer sold me longlife-12 0w-30. I have a 2011 35d, and when I asked about the difference I was told that the 0w-30 is the new supersedes the 5w-30.

I called the other dealer from the first time and their parts department told me not to use it they show the 5w-30 as the listed part number and not the 0w-30.

So now I'm lost as what to do, I hate to start a new oil thread but I didn't find anything to support it's ok to use when I tried looking it up.

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Old 06-17-2017, 01:11 PM
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Multigrade oils are required to meet all of the included grades specification tests. 0W-30 will meet all of the performance specifications of 5W-30.

Long Life - 04 is the minimum specification of oil for our BMW diesels. Is Long Life - 12 approved for US BMW diesels?

Enclosure 3 to SI 11 07 96 (138), issue 09/2009; update 07/2016

3.2 Specified engine oils for diesel engines: BMW Longlife-01. BMW Longlife-04. BMW Longlife-12 FE. SAE 10W-60
See the link for the details of for which engine each oil is approved.

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Old 06-17-2017, 01:31 PM
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Hmmm, LL12 seems to be very narrow scope. You don't state what year your X5 is, but regardless you need the LL-04 and I'd take the other stuff back:

BMW Longlife-04 (BMW LL-04)
Special BMW approval for fully synthetic long-life oil. Viscosities are SAE 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30 and 5W-40. Usually required for BMWs equipped with a diesel particulate filter (DPF). Can also be used where a BMW Longlife-98 or BMW Longlife-01 oil is recommended.

BMW Longlife-12 (BMW LL-12)
Special motor oil for certain approved gasoline engines and the following diesel engines only: Nx7K1, Nx7U1, Nx7O1 from model year 2013. Not suitable for engines with 2 or 3 turbos.


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LL-04 Named Approved Oils, maybe 300 entries.

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Old 06-17-2017, 04:19 PM
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Is the BMW brand oil 0W-30 the new 5W-30?

I have a 2011 X5 35d, I ended up grabbing the 5w-30 from the first dealer after seeing the posts.

I will return the other stuff this weekend. Thanks everyone!


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Old 06-17-2017, 05:39 PM
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BMW still specifies 5W30 LL04 (83 21 2 365 949) for the M57 in your 2011 X5d.


This is a little odd to me because the 2012 M57 specifies the 0W30 LL12FE. I suspect the 5W30 LL04 will be discontinued some time in the future and the 0W30 LL12FE will be the oil of choice. Time will tell I guess.
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Old 06-18-2017, 02:41 AM
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BMW still specifies 5W30 LL04 (83 21 2 365 949) for the M57 in your 2011 X5d.


This is a little odd to me because the 2012 M57 specifies the 0W30 LL12FE. I suspect the 5W30 LL04 will be discontinued some time in the future and the 0W30 LL12FE will be the oil of choice. Time will tell I guess.
Yea, I was surprised when I picked up oil for an oil change in my 2014 328d. I called the dealer to confirm. It really shouldn't be a problem.

I had a mini cooper and used german castrol 0w30 for a while in it. Viscosity wise it was more like a traditional US 40 weight oil. I suspect the same is true of the new diesel 0w30.
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The dealer in Florida put 5W30 LL04 into my 2016 535d I believe but the sticker in the engine compartment says 0W30. This sounds OK to me especially in the hot Florida environment but I'd like to find out more. I like the idea of using an oil that has the top BMW and Mercedes specification s/a Mobil-1 ESP 5W30. Their 0W30 doesn't have the BMW spec.

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Old 06-19-2017, 12:22 PM
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I refill my 2012 X5 35D every 3 months. All this while my local BMW dealer would give me 5W-30 until a month ago they started giving me 0W-30.
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:14 PM
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Is the BMW brand oil 0W-30 the new 5W-30?

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I refill my 2012 X5 35D every 3 months. All this while my local BMW dealer would give me 5W-30 until a month ago they started giving me 0W-30.


Can you elaborate what you mean by refill? I'm not sure if you mean you change it every 3 months or top off?


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Old 06-19-2017, 07:42 PM
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BMW is using LL-12FE to lower consumption. Personally, I would stay away from it. The problem is HTHS. LL-04 requires HTHS of minimum 3.5cp while LL-12FE requires minimum of 2.9. HTHS is the most important number for turbo in your car.
Also, LL-12FE is thinner, so warms up faster, and most BMW's are grocery getters, so probably BMW is addressing city driving issues with this oil.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:59 PM
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FWIW, I just had my oil changed at the dealer for my 2011 335d... they used the LL-04 5w-30... the one pictured on the right... FYI
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