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Old 07-07-2005, 06:28 PM
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You get done around 3 - 3:30 in the afternoon.

As part of the break in you hsold NOT run constant speeds or RPMSs. A typical blast up the interstate is NOT a good thing.

If you do, change gears and RPM every few miles. Realize you can do some 95 MPH in 4th at 5500 RPM.
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:17 PM
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Realize you can do some 95 MPH in 4th at 5500 RPM.
As well as 55 MPH in 6th in the low 2s. You end up blasting by people at serious speed, only to have them pass you a few minutes later as you trundle along purposely behind a truck in the right lane.
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Old 07-08-2005, 10:05 AM
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The delivery is moving right along. Today, I received a letter from Frederick confirming my delivery date of July 29 and providing detailed instructions--all the way down to whom I should tip (drivers, bellmen, and waiters) and whom I shouldn't (PC/Zentrum personnel). The letter got here a whole week before they said it would.

A half-hour after I opened the mail, I received a phone call from my salesman (excuse me, I mean Customer Advisor), wanting to set up a meeting early next week to run through the final details.

Thanks to this forum and Patrick's blog, I am well briefed on what will happen. In fact, with this information in hand, I've been educating my salesman, inasmuch as this is his first PC delivery (amazingly, because he's been there the longest--I think he's sold too many 760s and not enough Ms).

So, we're cooking.
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Old 07-08-2005, 11:03 AM
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I bought three new BMWs when I lived in the east and never did PCD.
Now I'm waiting for the second one here in the west and it just seems too far to go.

I'm jealous. I'm sure it will be an awesome experience!
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Old 07-10-2005, 02:55 PM
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Thanks to this forum and Patrick's blog, I am well briefed on what will happen. In fact, with this information in hand, I've been educating my salesman, inasmuch as this is his first PC delivery (amazingly, because he's been there the longest--I think he's sold too many 760s and not enough Ms).
I asked my Client Advisor how many Performance Center Deliveries his dealership did. He said 2 or 3. I said "a month?" and he said "No, a year."

It's surprising that more dealerships don't push PCD. Perhaps there are other dynamics at play. Do dealers make less on PCD cars?
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Old 07-10-2005, 04:05 PM
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Do dealers make less on PCD cars?
It takes a lot of effort and time. I'm sure they would rather just complete a simple sale rather than deal with the extra hassles.
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:15 AM
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It takes a lot of effort and time. I'm sure they would rather just complete a simple sale rather than deal with the extra hassles.
Hmm, I suppose.

Although my Delivery Specialist made the point that for each hour spent with a customer going over the operation of their new car during delivery, the Client Advisor could be out selling more cars while the Performance Center handles the delivery.

But I think you're right: I guess it's just not worth it to the dealer to promote something that probably isn't going to bring in much more, if any, business for them.
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Old 07-12-2005, 06:41 PM
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Hmm, I suppose.

Although my Delivery Specialist made the point that for each hour spent with a customer going over the operation of their new car during delivery, the Client Advisor could be out selling more cars while the Performance Center handles the delivery.

But I think you're right: I guess it's just not worth it to the dealer to promote something that probably isn't going to bring in much more, if any, business for them.
I had a visit with my salesman (Larry) today in order to pick up my license plate for the geezer's new M3. I took the opportunity to ask the PC delivery question, since he had previously admitted that mine was his first (and he's been at the dealership over 20 years). He didn't have an answer--said it's not deliberately played down, just not pushed. He said that in their experience, most customers did not have the time or the flexibility to do the PC option.

But he's happy that we're doing this for reasons mentioned earlier in this thread. Delivery is a major time commitment for salesmen, especially with picky customers. Larry, said that the word in the company is that the delivery specialists at the Zentrum are proficient and thorough. "Probably better at it than we are," he added.
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:14 PM
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It takes a lot of effort and time. I'm sure they would rather just complete a simple sale rather than deal with the extra hassles.
Not necessarily...It is harder for them to fill a trailer (vehicle transport) for delivery to wherever you're located...In fact, yes, I believe that the PCD is profitable.. Considering the cost of getting the car to your nearest dealership(rush delivery vs allocation)...
PC(Spartanburg) is an instructive course...You don't even need to own a BMW to enroll...PCD is a way for BMWNA to make money...It seems like a great way to take delivery...But a real pain in the ass and results in a bad break-in if you live far away..
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Old 07-13-2005, 10:55 PM
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PCD "making" money for BMW NA? How so. for the sme price as deliverying the car to your dealer, they detail it, they let you abuse one of their cars wearing tires and brakes, they have to pay delivery specialists, they provide a nights lodging, 3 meals (for 2 people), have to maintain the complex (land and tax costs), etc.

PIA?? How so? You buy a ticket to Spartenburg, you fly in, they pick you up, buy you dinner and breakfast and cover the hotel. Pick you up at the hotel, spend the day keeping you amuzed and having fun, and feed you lucnh, and send you on your way. Pretty darn easy.

As for poor break in, that depends on teh owner as always. Yes, if you hop on the Interstate and set the crusie control, that is NOT good. But vary the RPM by varying the speed and gear, get off the Interstate and do the US highways and such, and the break in is better than around town driving.
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Old 07-14-2005, 02:51 AM
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But a real pain in the ass and results in a bad break-in if you live far away..
Not necessarily...

So, you're saying that those of us who choose Performance Center delivery are masochistic idiots?

Why didn't I see the folly of this PCD thing for myself? OMG, I'm getting screwed over so badly by BMWNA!

You sound like my mother...always seeing the negative side of things..the consummate pessimist...replete with rationalization...but she's 85 and she's been that way all her life...what's your excuse...



But seriously, though, 'bone...the most onerous part of the whole thing...the biggest pain in the ass, as you say...for me...is that the non-stop flight schedule between MCO and GSP either gets me in there at 8:30 AM or 9:30 PM. I chose the early flight, which means I have to leave for the airport at 5:00 AM. THAT IS A ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS! But I'll survive...and I might even figure out how to conduct a "good" break-in...
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Old 07-14-2005, 06:16 AM
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One gets only what one expects out of something like PCD. If you're the type of owner for which an automobile -- even a BMW -- is merely an appliance and road trips are something to be avoided, then yes, one could consider PCD to be a PITA.

When I explained my PCD experience to friends, more than once I received quizzical looks as people asked, "So wait, you have to go down to the factory to pick up your car? They don't ship it to you?" It took a bit of explaining to describe what I felt I was getting out of the experience: some track time, personalized delivery, factory tour, road trip back.

As for BMW making a profit? I dunno. They almost certainly aren't absorbing a loss. But they probably aren't counting on PCD (or even the PC itself) as a profit item either. It functions mainly as a brand loyalty program, the costs of which are offset by not having to ship the cars.

One thing is certain: those who have experienced PCD almost universally praise and recommend it. TO me, that's the most telling testimony.
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:19 AM
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Not necessarily...

So, you're saying that those of us who choose Performance Center delivery are masochistic idiots?
No..no..You're reading me all wrong..In fact, I would have loved to take PCD on my M...I think it's an awesome program and I am somewhat jealous of those who have and then post the write-ups of how great of an exsperience it was...But unfortunately I work..Thus being the pain in the ass..Hell, it mearly took an act of god to take time off to pick the car up at the dealership(50 Miles away)..But to plan out time off, hunt down air travel, and the drive back to southern Louisiana, would more/less be a pain in my ass....opposed to bringing the car to me..thourough breakin..and a trip to the track to learn to drive an M..

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Why didn't I see the folly of this PCD thing for myself? OMG, I'm getting screwed over so badly by BMWNA!
You paid what you paid, regardless if it was PCD or not...I'm just thinking that they pocket the money that they didn't have to dish out for transport..

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You sound like my mother...always seeing the negative side of things..the consummate pessimist...replete with rationalization...but she's 85 and she's been that way all her life...what's your excuse...
Odds are...that the apple probably didn't fall too far from the tree...
I'm a very optimistic person, and that you would compare me to your own mother is rather insulting to me..I can understand her rationalism...
as for me...no excuses...just a different opinion..

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You paid what you paid, regardless if it was PCD or not...I'm just thinking that they pocket the money that they didn't have to dish out for transport..
I could have sworn that with PDC, you don't pay destination.
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Old 07-15-2005, 11:12 AM
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I could have sworn that with PDC, you don't pay destination.
Dunno either...I always thought that sticker price and/or MSRP was with destination included..as well as delivery...which is generally about 5k(give or take)...
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Dunno either...I always thought that sticker price and/or MSRP was with destination included..as well as delivery...which is generally about 5k(give or take)...
The destination charge for me is a separate line item and it amounts to $695. It is non-negotiable. It doesn't change for PC delivery. Anyhow, I imagine that the distance between Charleston and Spartanburg is about the same as the distance between Jacksonville (which would be my normal destination POE) and my dealer.

My sales guy told me that at one time they waived destination charges for people who wanted to go to Jacksonville to get their cars, but then when too many people did that, they discontinued the practice.
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