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Old 12-09-2005, 01:04 PM
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1975 2002 On Sale at EBAy, needs professional inputs

Was wondering if you guys can give me a professional input on this car that Im considering

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1975-...QQcmdZViewItem

I have a short fond memories of this car when I was borrowing it from my elder brother during the 80's. And now, would like to get this similar car online.

My questions are:

Is this a fair price?

Is finding repair/maintenance facilities hard to find for these units?

Are parts readily available, if I need replacement.

Do you guys think it a worth having these things, even only for summer driving?

and any other feedback, would certainly help!

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Old 12-09-2005, 01:12 PM
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Definitely do not bid without driving the exact car you are bidding on car first.

This one appears to be nice, but there is no way to tell for sure with 02s unless you drive and inspect. Bushings, shocks, brakes, and most of all rust are impossible to know for sure unless you see them in real life.

You can get most parts either from BMW Mobile Tradition, or restoration places like 2002AD or 2002Haus or whatever. Any place that can work on an E30 can do most stuff on an E10 with some exceptions.
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Old 12-10-2005, 04:41 AM
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thk for your input Jon,
I do agree thats its risky to get a car online,
I had contacted the dealer and arrange to see it if its not sold yet
when I make my trip to NJ/NY this holiday period.
But do you think the price is fair?
kinda weird for that age,
it has so little mileage.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:20 PM
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Caution! The car is a rebuild. The mileage may be correct -- if you add a "2" before the other numbers. These cars did not have a 6 place odometer, but only a 5 place one! My 3.0 CS had 125,000 miles when I sold it (see sig, below), but only showed 25,000. The interior of these cars did not wear well. So, the re-done interior is a dead giveaway that this is a high miler.

The interior has been completely rebuilt. There appears to be nothing stock, or remotely attractive, in it. And, when re-built, non OEM parts were used. In other words, the car is a bastard. The seat coverings also don't fit well and look cheap. The tacky wood appplied to the dashboard is merely indicative of what you are going to get - and what was done to the car along the way. (While I am no expert on the 2002, I don't recall it ever having a 5-speed -- I thought only the 2002tii had the 5-speed.)

All in all this car is probably not worth more than $4,000 and is going to be a maintenance queen. It is so bowlderized that you may not know if it's still a Bimmer. If you want to use it as a springboard for a 2-3 year project I'd think about getting it, but not at the price of the "Buy it Now."

This is just my opinion from looking at the photos. I could be totally wrong. If you are really interested look at it in person before you bid. And examine everything closely. And ask questions (but don't take any self-serving answers at face value).

Good luck. Tell us what happens.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:17 PM
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The interior has been completely rebuilt. There appears to be nothing stock, or remotely attractive, in it. And, when re-built, non OEM parts were used. In other words, the car is a bastard. The seat coverings also don't fit well and look cheap. The tacky wood appplied to the dashboard is merely indicative of what you are going to get - and what was done to the car along the way. (While I am no expert on the 2002, I don't recall it ever having a 5-speed -- I thought only the 2002tii had the 5-speed.)
The tii did not have a 5-speed either. I assume this is an upgrade from an E21. I don't even think the turbo cars had 5-speeds.

I'm pretty sure the plastic wood instrument panel was standard on all square taillight cars. Easy to switch it back to black roundie-style though.

All that said, and like I said in my earlier post, you can't tell anything about this car just from the auction. Malibu may be and probably is correct and you should walk away. If however you can go over the car in real life, it might be a decent buy.
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From my recollection, there was never an 02 sold in the US market with a 5-speed transmission. In the early days, the "dog-leg" close ratio 5-spd was available from Europe that a very few installed in their 02s, and the overdrive 5-spd didn't show up until the E21 started getting it in the 1980 model year. All E21's up through 1979 had a 4-spd also. Retrofitting the overdrive box was/is a popular mod, especially for the 74 and later 02s which had a 3.91:1 rear (recalling from distant 30 year old memories, not sure if that was the exact year they went to that rear or not).

In terms of this car, I agree with all the above. You have to drive it, get it up on a lift, evaluate the fluids in it, leakdown test, etc. Assume there is hidden rust everywhere and work back from that point of view trying to prove that assumption wrong.

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Old 12-15-2005, 08:27 PM
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Our first Bimmer was a 72 2002tii (4 speed BTW). That was in 76, it was fun and the scammers were out even then. I would never buy a 2002 today from anybody I did not know personally. Watch out and that's way too much money for something other than a tii.
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2002 on Ebay

I think the auction results spoke volumes. :-)
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:57 PM
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I think the auction results spoke volumes. :-)
What did it sell for?
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What did it sell for?
seems like that last bid was at 6700, but the 7500 reserve wasnt meet, maybe the dealership went ahead a sell it for that price. Its kinda hard to believe a dealership would sell a car with a rolled back mileage. not to say it was, but I heard those things can happen, but your comments are appreciated.
... maybe i should look at a used M3

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Old 01-02-2006, 06:59 PM
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seems like that last bid was at 6700, but the 7500 reserve wasnt meet, maybe the dealership went ahead a sell it for that price. Its kinda hard to believe a dealership would sell a car with a rolled back mileage. not to say it was, but I heard those things can happen, but your comments are appreciated.
... maybe i should look at a used M3
What makes you think that? In the 1970s these cars had odometers that only went to 99,999 miles (in the U.S.). So, the mileage is probably accurate and not rolled back. But it probably has a 2 in front of it.
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Old 01-03-2006, 06:58 PM
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What makes you think that? In the 1970s these cars had odometers that only went to 99,999 miles (in the U.S.). So, the mileage is probably accurate and not rolled back. But it probably has a 2 in front of it.
i see your point~ but the ad didnt say anythng about engine rebuilt, only the carburator,
Can a original engine last that long!?

Malibu!
thks for the input, currently, as I write this a 1984 633 csi caught my eye, with 140k, original owner, which I think would be more classic car to have! he wants $5995
I understand the following year 635csi are better to have, for its a start of a better engine and a larger size rims. Someone told me 6k is alot of money for this car, do you agree?
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ase2dais - My 1971 Bavaria (2.8 litre 6-cylinder) lasted for 300,000 miles and was abused by my ex girlfriend. (She treated it worse than she treated me!) So these cars can last a long time. They don't build 'em like they used to.

I had a 633CSi. For its time it was a nice car, but the 1980s were perhaps the worst decade for an automobile enthusiast anywhere in the world. The 635CSi has a slightly larger engine, but by the time it came out I was seduced by the cushy ride of the Mercedes and had bought first a 380SEC and then a 560SEC.

My independent mechanic (who has taken care of my cars since 1971 if you can believe it, and who introduced me to another BMW enthusiast -- at the time -- Arnholt Schwarzenegger), told me that the Bimmers of the 1980s were cheaply made. Since he was trained by BMW in the 1960s, and has worked on Bimmers and Porsches all his life, I would tend to believe him. (He does like working on those Bimmers now. They're helping him restore a 300SL Gullwing.)

You need to be very careful. Even a nice 633CSi or 635CSi will be a parts queen. I loved my old 3.0CS, but it cost me a fortune to keep it perfect. For cars a decade younger it costs that same fortune just to keep them going.

In other words, I wouldn't do it. And if you decide to do it, be ready to open your wallet wide. Like the plant in Little Shop of Horrors, your 6 series will be saying "Feed Me!" a lot. (The electronics system was ahead of its time -- sound familiar? That will be your weakest link.)

To answer your specific question, the 633CSi you posted looks pretty clean. And one owner cars are worth a premium. So, I think the price may be a little high, but if it's complete, in my opinion it would be worth it.

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Old 01-06-2006, 04:23 PM
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heres a 635csi 1989 with seems to be better interior/exterior

whats your take on this malibu?

anyone?

what do you think this is worth if my first one is over priced?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-...QQcmdZViewItem
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heres a 635csi 1989 with seems to be better interior/exterior

whats your take on this malibu?

anyone?

what do you think this is worth if my first one is over priced?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-...QQcmdZViewItem
If it's as nice in person as it appears to be on eBay it's a great example of the breed. A few less miles than the 633, a little cleaner, a little newer. But it's not a one owner car. Have you run a carfax report? Sounds like it's been around.

If it's as clean as it seems, and it hasn't had more than 3 owners, and has been a California and Arizona car, it could be worth $7-8,000. But, it's going to be a parts queen.

If you have your heart set on an older shark, this is a good one. You need either to inspect it or to have someone you trust do so. I think the car is in LA County.
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Old 01-17-2006, 08:25 PM
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You may be right, older cars are nice to get if its coming from an original owner. Plus Im no Jay Leno that has a staff of mechanic minding my garage. This first car that I posted, the owner seems to be really motivated selling it, kept on callng me once every two weeks, enuf to say I sell it at any price but Im not being a pest!

hmm, I just drove 2-3 M5s in the last couple of weeks, talk about sudden depreciation, seems like this things are just dropping in price. maybe the new E60 body style it pushing their prices even further, as much as I hate the new body style, seem to be its here to stay!
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