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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 11-04-2005, 08:37 AM
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Bigger I-6 for new X5 or facelift for 5 in 2007?

I’m considering a 530, or X5 3.0 if I want to replace my SUV first, but have held it for two reasons. Questions:

1) Will BMW increase the engine displacement, say from 3.0L to 3.5L or whatever, for model year 2007?

3.0L maybe enough for 330 and barely enough 530, but definitely not for the even-bigger upcoming new X5. Now everyone gets a bigger engine (in the 6-cylinder world), Merc/Infinit/Acura 3.5L, Lexus 3.3L, …. I guess sooner or later Audi will put its 3.6L (currently in the new Passat) to A6/Q7. Yes, in 2006 BMW bumped the horsepower from 225 to 255, but it could do much improvement for the torque. As a result, the new 6-cylinder X5 will probably the slowest in its class.

I know BMW’s “Ultimate Driving Machine” image comes not just from its 0-60 performance, but anyway, it is a key factor. You don’t want to collect the dust of other luxo cars when driving a Bimmer, right?

2) Will BMW give 5 series some facelift?

According to its 6 or 7-year lifespan schedule, 2007 might be the time for doing it for the 5, not sure. I love the 5’s gene, but I really hate its face. 7, Z4, 5, …, oh, what a stupid decision to hire a guy like Chris Bangle to ruin this esteemed brand. So will BMW do something (like what they just did for the 7) in 2007?

Thank you for your advices.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:46 PM
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I'd imagine the new X5 (this time next year) will still have the 3.0 inline-6 but with 255 horses. It will do 0-60 in about 7.7 seconds with that engine, so nobody is going to be laughing. And, it will still outhandle every other SUV out there (except the Cayenne).

If someone wants more power, they jump on the next-gen X5 with the 5.0 V8 (making 360 horses).

I think the new 5 will get a freshening in '07. Ask their forum.
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Old 11-15-2005, 08:23 AM
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A couple of reasons for replacing the 3.0L with 3.5L:

1) The upcoming X5. The current X5 3.0 is over 4700lb. The new gen (bigger with 3rd seat) probably will be heavier. 3.0L is too small for such a heavy ute - it just cannot deliver enough torque. For a heavy vehicle (X5, and V5 if produced), torque (especially low-RPM torque) is more critical. The current torque, 220, is among the lowest. As a result, X5 3.0's 0-60 cannot catch up with most of its luxo SUV competitors. You could say "if you need more HP, goes to X5 4.8", but most buyers go for q 6-cylinder. That is, a bigger engine is essential to the success of the 2nd gen X5.

2) Even for 3 and 5, 3.0L is too small to keep up with others. Infiniti G35/M35 have 280HP 3.5, MB C350/E350 use 268HP 3.5, Lexus I350 debuts its 306HP 3.5, ... It'll tarnish BMW's "ultimate driving machine" image if its performance falls "below average".

3) 530 vs 550 - the gap is too wide (BMW doesn't sell 540 in US). Look at the sales of 5 series (525 - 30%, 530 - 55%, 545 - 15%), you know keeping the sales leader competitive is the #1 job. Same thing for 3, X3, X5 and Z4, and V5.

However, there are also reasons not doing so:

1) The 255HP 3.0L is new to MY2006. A new engine one year after that? I doubt.

2) The differentiation with 540. BMW also sells 540 outside US (with 300HP 4.0L V8). If the 3.5L comes, it'll generate at least 270-280HP. That will make 535/735 too close to 540/740. Bad for product line.

I don't know BMW's plan, but I do hope a 280HP 3.5L I-6 will come in 2007.
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:09 PM
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For 2007 it will be the 3.0, 255 hp version that was introduced in other models last year.

The vehicle will be a complete redesign, and no doubt heavier than the current model, but I would expect performance will be comparable to the 2006 X5 3.0 with the current lower output engine.

The point you may be missing is that the 3.0 is the entry level model of the lineup, and isn't designed or expected to be a top performer. It's the price point model of the product line. If you want a top performing luxury SUV, you have the choice of the 4.4i or the 4.8 is. The 355 hp 4.8 will blow the doors off just about any other stock SUV on the planet other than than the Cayenne Turbo.
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