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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 11-04-2005, 09:35 AM
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Bigger I-6 for new X5 or facelift for 5 in 2007?

I’m considering a 530, or X5 3.0 if I want to replace my SUV first, but have held it for two reasons. Questions:

1) Will BMW increase the engine displacement, say from 3.0L to 3.5L or whatever, for model year 2007?

3.0L maybe enough for 330 and barely enough 530, but definitely not for the even-bigger upcoming new X5. Now everyone gets a bigger engine (in the 6-cylinder world), Merc/Infinit/Acura 3.5L, Lexus 3.3L, …. I guess sooner or later Audi will put its 3.6L (currently in the new Passat) to A6/Q7. Yes, in 2006 BMW bumped the horsepower from 225 to 255, but it could do much improvement for the torque. As a result, the new 6-cylinder X5 will probably the slowest in its class.

I know BMW’s “Ultimate Driving Machine” image comes not just from its 0-60 performance, but anyway, it is a key factor. You don’t want to collect the dust of other luxo cars when driving a Bimmer, right?

2) Will BMW give 5 series some facelift?

According to its 6 or 7-year lifespan schedule, 2007 might be the time for doing it for the 5, not sure. I love the 5’s gene, but I really hate its face. 7, Z4, 5, …, oh, what a stupid decision to hire a guy like Chris Bangle to ruin this esteemed brand. So will BMW do something (like what they just did for the 7) in 2007?

Thank you for your advices.
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:48 AM
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BMW is known for changing their models every 7yrs so do not expect the 5 to get any major change until 2011,
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:34 PM
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BMW traditionally does new bodies every seven years, with a face-lift after four years. This means that the 2008 MY 5-Series should be the first with the face-lift. What those changes will are only complete speculation at this time.

I'd say that BMW will not be releasing any new 6 cylinder engines anytime soon, with the exception of the 3.0 liter turbo which may or may not ever make it to the US in the 335i and 535i.
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Old 11-04-2005, 04:54 PM
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I seriously doubt whether we'll see a displacement increase for the 3.0L anytime soon since it's an all-new engine as of this year. I think it does fine in my 530xiT which, according to Car & Driver, weighs in at just over 4000 lbs.
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Old 11-05-2005, 04:40 AM
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I seriously doubt whether we'll see a displacement increase for the 3.0L anytime soon since it's an all-new engine as of this year. I think it does fine in my 530xiT which, according to Car & Driver, weighs in at just over 4000 lbs.
There won't be a bigger 6 cylinder engine, however a 3.0L 6 cylinder turbo should appear some time in 2006.... Should be around 330Bhp.

First car to get it should be E92 coupe, followed by the 5 series, and Z series...
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:36 AM
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BMW traditionally does new bodies every seven years, with a face-lift after four years. This means that the 2008 MY 5-Series should be the first with the face-lift. What those changes will are only complete speculation at this time.
Autocar magazine (UK) posted some grainy shots of a face-lifted E60 last week. The article reckoned on seeing it launched in late '06. This would be about right, since the car was first launched in Spring 2003 or thereabouts.

The spy photos weren't much to write home about. A smoother finish to the front bumper (in a similar vein to the 7er facelift), no change to the headlights, rear still covered in tape.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:14 AM
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Autocar magazine (UK) posted some grainy shots of a face-lifted E60 last week. The article reckoned on seeing it launched in late '06. This would be about right, since the car was first launched in Spring 2003 or thereabouts.

The spy photos weren't much to write home about. A smoother finish to the front bumper (in a similar vein to the 7er facelift), no change to the headlights, rear still covered in tape.
Do you have a link to that posting? I checked out the Autocar website and could not find anything on this.
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:22 AM
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A couple of reasons for replacing the 3.0L with 3.5L:

1) The upcoming X5. The current X5 3.0 is over 4700lb. The new gen (bigger with 3rd seat) probably will be heavier. 3.0L is too small for such a heavy ute - it just cannot deliver enough torque. For a heavy vehicle (X5, and V5 if produced), torque (especially low-RPM torque) is more critical. The current torque, 220, is among the lowest. As a result, X5 3.0's 0-60 cannot catch up with most of its luxo SUV competitors. You could say "if you need more HP, goes to X5 4.8", but most buyers go for q 6-cylinder. That is, a bigger engine is essential to the success of the 2nd gen X5.

2) Even for 3 and 5, 3.0L is too small to keep up with others. Infiniti G35/M35 have 280HP 3.5, MB C350/E350 use 268HP 3.5, Lexus I350 debuts its 306HP 3.5, ... It'll tarnish BMW's "ultimate driving machine" image if its performance falls "below average".

3) 530 vs 550 - the gap is too wide (BMW doesn't sell 540 in US). Look at the sales of 5 series (525 - 30%, 530 - 55%, 545 - 15%), you know keeping the sales leader competitive is the #1 job. Same thing for 3, X3, X5 and Z4, and V5.

However, there are also reasons not doing so:

1) The 255HP 3.0L is new to MY2006. A new engine one year after that? I doubt.

2) The differentiation with 540. BMW also sells 540 outside US (with 300HP 4.0L V8). If the 3.5L comes, it'll generate at least 270-280HP. That will make 535/735 too close to 540/740. Bad for product line.

I don't know BMW's plan, but I do hope a 280HP 3.5L I-6 will come in 2007.
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The V8 went through a single to double (or the other way? ) VANOS. I think it was maybe in '99 or '98? Again, not real sure.

The 2.8 L in 2000 was replaced in 2001 with the 3.0 L--though I dunno how different the two engines really were. The I-6 is still considered to be 3.0 L I believe even though it got a bump in HP in 2006 models. It seems plausible that the 2008 I-6 models could get a 3.0+ L engine akin to the change from 2000 to 2001....
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Old 11-20-2005, 03:41 PM
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Do you have a link to that posting? I checked out the Autocar website and could not find anything on this.
Sorry, only just read this. I read the magazine the old-fashioned way - with paper and ink and everything . Autocar's haphazard website doesn't seem to follow what's in print, nor does it replicate anything like the level of content in the mag.
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