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Old 09-17-2002, 05:35 PM
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BMW may debut their engine at Indy...

From the www.f1factor.co.uk web site:

BMW Ready New Engine For Indianapolis Tuesday, September 17, 2002 reported by IB

Dr Mario Theissen has hinted that Williams could feature their latest milestone-breaking BMW engine at the final Indy and Suzuka races.

At the high-speed Autodromo Nazionale di Monza, the Munich-based engine concern boasted that the newest specification P82 featured 19,000rpm; a high-revving achievement never before witnessed on the Grand Prix tracks.

'With this record figure we have once again raised the threshold in terms of our engine performance,' said BMW Motorsport Director Mario Theissen, adding that, in 2000, the BMW units tipped the scales at a mere 17,000rpm.

'For an engineer it is thrilling to see figures which not so long ago were considered unattainable, suddenly becoming reality.'

And, while Juan Pablo Montoya took the newest P82 to pole position, a lack of reliability testing relocated the unit to the BMW trucks while the tried-and-tested V10 took its place in the FW24 rear.

As the BMW Motorsport Director now reveals, however, the 19,000rpm-wonder could make its Grand Prix debut at the fabled Indianapolis Motor Speedway next weekend.

'After a superb qualifying, this is of course a rather disappointing race result,' said Theissen.

Montoya's Monza pole-lap surpassed the 17-year-old milestone of 259km/h average speed over one lap of a circuit.

In the race, though, Ralf Schumacher pulled to the grass as his BMW failed while Montoya struggled for pace until retiring with chassis damage. For Indy and Suzuka, though, the Grove team's form could be buoyed with a few extra horses.

'If everything goes well for the tests in the coming week, then we might put it into use at Indy,' he said. 'If this is not so, then we'll apply the new package in Japan.'

'We haven't made use of the new engine specification during the race,' Theissen continued. 'In Indianapolis, however, it could well be the case. And the engine for 2003, the P83, is practically finished.'

The P83, which first hit the dyno in late July, will make its track debut before the end of the present Formula One season: 'This is also a new record,' Theissen adds.

'During the last tests of the running season, the P83 will be incorporated into the race car for the rollout. Hereby we would like to establish a basis, in order to become a serious challenger in the fight for the title in the next season.

'Even if this might be presumptuous considering Ferrari's superiority at present.'

Similarly, Sir Frank Williams and Patrick Head have promised to unveil a, respectively, 'revolutionary' and 'less cautious' approach to the FW25.

'We will not be making the same mistake of being overly-conservative,' said Williams, team principal.
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Man, that could be a risky proposition. If I remember right Indy is second only to the old Hockenhiem track in percentage of full throttle per lap. Or maybe it was Monza. In anycase, that would truly be trial by fire for a new engine.
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Man, that could be a risky proposition. If I remember right Indy is second only to the old Hockenhiem track in percentage of full throttle per lap. Or maybe it was Monza. In anycase, that would truly be trial by fire for a new engine.
Yeah, but, on the other side of the coin. With ferrari already clinching this years mfg championship. Indy might be a good, hard, test for this motor
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Yeah, but, on the other side of the coin. With ferrari already clinching this years mfg championship. Indy might be a good, hard, test for this motor
Bingo, I agree 100%. Might as well spend the last 2 races stressing the engine under full race conditions now. They obviously think it is very close to being ready since they used it for qualifying at Monza. They have probably stripped it down and had it under an electon microscope by now.
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Pushing the envelope is always risky. They need some kind of a step up to put pressure on Ferrari. Did you notice that the Speed Channel crew was speculating whether the any of the BMW engines would expire during qualifying? They made it through Monza qualifying ok. It's not a new engine, but a development of the P82. I think it's great. I can't wait. I'd like to see them put pressure on Ferrari even if they don't last. They've almost got to do it to move forward.

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They need to work on the freaking chassis to get better aerodynmaics than trying to squeeze out another 10 hp.

Just my opinion of course.
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Thumbs up Funny you should mention the chassis...

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They need to work on the freaking chassis to get better aerodynmaics than trying to squeeze out another 10 hp.

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This is from the Roadfly message board about a an F1 magazine article...

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In this month's F1 Mag. Frank and Patrick said that BMW.Williams will win the 2003 and here's why.

A Sauber-like front end is worth about 1/2 a second, A state-of-the-art rear end pioneered by Ferrari is worth a second a lap. Yet the 2002 FW24 netted 1.5 seconds faster than the FW23 without any Sauber or Ferrari modifications, why??? BMW power-plant is still the most powerful in the pit-row. Many blamed Geoff Willis for the FW24 chassis, Willis was told he wouldn't be retained for the 2002 season, but was still put in charge of the FW24 developement, simple, his heart/mind wasn't 100% on the job. But Frank told F1 Mag that he(Frank) is the one to blame because ALL decisions is made by him and Frank said he went TOO conservative with the FW24, and he promised to never been conservative again, because F1 is in a new era, when pressed on by F1 Mag that should some blame be put on Willis, Frank responded, "I don't wish to comment; whatever I say will offend somebody in one camp or the other."

When asked by F1 Mag why there wasn't a Spec-B FW24 chassis that many expected to roll-out mid season to fight the boys from Maranello, Frank and Patrick revealed that they already lost to Ferrari, but was planning ahead for 2003. Patrick didn't want to do a Spec-B car to reveal to Ferrari what they have in plan for 2003. Patrick revealed to F1 Mag that the FW25 is already for testing and it has the Sauber front end, Ferrari rear, and a Ferrari-like titanium gear box. Frank added, "never conservative again". Add that with the BMW power-plant and you got a Championship car. Frank said that Williams WILL win 2003 Championship, when asked by F1 Mag, "which driver" Frank said JP. JP is more consistent, and Ralf seems to suffer his traditional second half season drop of in form, but "he's a very fast driver."

F1 Mag predicted that Williams will win the 2002 season, but they didn't seen the FW24 coming. For the 2003 season, both Patrick and F1 Mag said the Ferrari will roll-out a Spec-B car of the 2002 chassis, because Ferrari doesn't have a new car to race, but will continue with the old updated car. 2003 is for Williams to take, bearing any bad luck.
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They need to work on the freaking chassis to get better aerodynmaics than trying to squeeze out another 10 hp.

Just my opinion of course.
You may get your wish. Here's an article on the new $38M wind tunnel that Williams is going to build. The new tunnel will take full size cars and will have a moving road. So much of their work is done with scale models...nothing beats full size.

Take a look DailyF1 Williams new wind tunnel

BTW, they also ran the new P83 today. Next year's engine. The engine we are hoping t see at Indy is a developmental configuration of the P82.

BMW Motorsport P83 first run
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