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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 12-16-2005, 07:42 PM
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How to remove headliner?

Okay, I'm SO SICK of the POP POP POP I have coming from my headliner. I took it into the dealership but he said it would be about a $1200 job (my car is an 01; so no warranty)... he says it's common too.

UGH!!! SO, does anyone know if it's possible to remove the headliner to check for what's popping? I beleive it's associated with the sunroof. I want to get rid of the POP POP POP!!!
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Old 12-16-2005, 08:57 PM
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Okay, I'm SO SICK of the POP POP POP I have coming from my headliner. I took it into the dealership but he said it would be about a $1200 job (my car is an 01; so no warranty)... he says it's common too.

UGH!!! SO, does anyone know if it's possible to remove the headliner to check for what's popping? I beleive it's associated with the sunroof. I want to get rid of the POP POP POP!!!
I've never heard of that popping problem. Did the dealer say what causes it? I've not studied how to remove the headliner, but I know it can be removed.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:00 PM
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He explained it has something to do with the sunroof. I had an old post about the popping and many others said they have the same thing.
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Old 12-17-2005, 06:30 AM
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Same problem on my car was fixed by fastening the two black metal slide rails,
on the left and right side of sunroof. Torx screws that are supposed to hold them
worked their way loose. I've retightened them (found that actually NONE of them
was tight) and the problem went away.

I am not saying that this will solve your problems, but it's a quick thing to check,
before you do that $1200 card swipe.
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:13 PM
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Same problem on my car was fixed by fastening the two black metal slide rails,
on the left and right side of sunroof. Torx screws that are supposed to hold them
worked their way loose. I've retightened them (found that actually NONE of them
was tight) and the problem went away.

I am not saying that this will solve your problems, but it's a quick thing to check,
before you do that $1200 card swipe.
AH!!! Awesome! You will rock if this works... so I open the sunroof and check the slide rails? I'll do that now and see what I find.
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:29 PM
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Well, other than seeing the small torque style screws around the 'frame' of the sunroof, and the two larger rail torque screws, I don't see anything else to tighten.

I was able to retract the sunroof, and look back in the roof section. There is what appears to be a cardboard sheet with multiple cuts in each side.. perhaps that's what we hear popping??

Anyone?
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Old 12-17-2005, 06:25 PM
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Well, other than seeing the small torque style screws around the 'frame' of the sunroof, and the two larger rail torque screws, I don't see anything else to tighten.

I was able to retract the sunroof, and look back in the roof section. There is what appears to be a cardboard sheet with multiple cuts in each side.. perhaps that's what we hear popping??

Anyone?
By popping...do you mean something like a rattle? There's a rattle coming from the roof of my car (I have the moonroof) from the vicinity of the sunroof when I go over bumps. I also had the same rattle on my e34 with sunroof. It is pretty annoying, but not as much as the little rattles in the doors .
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Old 12-18-2005, 01:26 AM
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By popping...do you mean something like a rattle? There's a rattle coming from the roof of my car (I have the moonroof) from the vicinity of the sunroof when I go over bumps. I also had the same rattle on my e34 with sunroof. It is pretty annoying, but not as much as the little rattles in the doors .
Yep it could be also described as a "rattle" and it was there only when going over speedbump
or a pothole
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Old 12-18-2005, 01:27 AM
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Well, other than seeing the small torque style screws around the 'frame' of the sunroof, and the two larger rail torque screws, I don't see anything else to tighten.


Anyone?
It was the small torx screws which fixed problem for me. Larges were okay
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:03 AM
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Yep it could be also described as a "rattle" and it was there only when going over speedbump
or a pothole
Actually, in my car, it's a constant POP... POP, POP.... I think it started when the weather turned cold. It happens on normal everyday driving, smooth or rough road.

If you could imagine this, the popping sounds like something that was glued to a surface, has lost it's full tackiness and hangs down. The popping sounds like it's readhering to the surface and then popping when letting go.. it's freakin annoying.

I don't have any other rattles or popping other than that.

Side note: I got rid of our G35 because of rattles/popping!! ARGH!
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Old 12-18-2005, 11:28 AM
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Side note: I got rid of our G35 because of rattles/popping!! ARGH!
Don't do that to the bimmer!!!

I'm sure it can be fixed however my expertise ends here - never removed a headliner
on E39. On Mercs and Volvos it was easy, it was just kept with plastic clips (that you
need to replace every time the thing was removed) but looking at the pictures i'd say
that you need to remove

1/ a,b, and c pillars trim
2/ roof handles (four)
3/ unscrew the small torxes around the sunroof

and God knows what else.
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Old 12-18-2005, 06:47 PM
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It's the 'God knows what else' part that cares me

I've had the handles out before, the headliner didn't move, but I may try again later and remove the pilars.. I bet they hold the majority of the mess.
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:55 AM
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And be careful, on 2001 most probably You've got the ITS(curtain) airbags there
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:13 PM
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I saw that today, I wonder how tricky they are to bypass when removing the headliner?? Maybe there is a tech article on how to remove it?
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Old 12-20-2005, 03:11 AM
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No need to bypass, just standard safety precautions for working near the airbags - no knocking/hammering, no heat sources, ignition and accessory OFF. To be absolutely
sure that they don't go off, disconnect battery and wait 5 minutes for capacitor in the
ABG module to discharge. It will actually discharge sooner than that (newer models
have backup supply for just few seconds) and 5 minutes is just to be absolutely sure.

These are actually quite hesitant to go off without a good reason. Recently i was working
on Volvo where the side airbags (SIPS) are activated by pressure sensor - pure mechanical action. Compressible cyllinder is connected with few inches of plastic hose to the airbag igniter - which just senses the pressure surge. Now that is something that you
need to be careful about! And switching off the battery won't help much...
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:48 PM
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Anyone had any luck with this? I've seen other posts where the person said it was, "...an improper seal between the headliner and sunroof cassette. They resealed it and tightened up the screws and the rattle is fixed..."


Since I don't want to take this to the dealership, I'd really like to hear from someone who has officially taken their headliner down.. PLEASE I CAN'T STAND THE POPPING ANYMORE!
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for less than 1200 you can have the whole cabin fitted with dynomat (automotive sound proofing). would make for a nice quiet ride- maybe look into having it installed under the headliner...
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:53 PM
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Ah.. now that's a good idea.. hmmmmmm..
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Old 11-01-2006, 09:37 AM
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Hi. Did you ever fix the problem with the rattle or pop in the moonroof?/ I am having the same think in my 01 525i . . . . ..
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I had that same issue. In my case I replaced my entire sunroof. 200 Bucks for the sunroof. Swapped out everything myself. I'll post pictures of the install.
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