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Old 12-27-2005, 11:55 AM
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Would you buy a first year e90 m3, or 335i?

With all the problems the early e46 m3s had, engine failure specifically, would you buy a first year e90 m3, or 335i?

Im contemplating going with an e46 m3 zcp. I figure all the bugs have been worked out, the zcp is the best m3 ever made, and its basically a timeless car...but i cant help feel like its already the old m3. But the last thing i want is to be stuck with is this very expensive, problematic e90.
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:24 PM
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IMHO it is way to early to make a decision like that. I'll want to see what happens with the E90 coupe before I come anywhere close to deciding on the M3 variant. I was happy w/ my 03 330Ci until an $$$ offer I couldn't refuse on an 05 M3 came up right at lease end. Right now I see myself driving the M3 for 5+ years, but who knows what might happen in the future. By the time the next M3 comes out I'll be starting a family so my priorities will change dramatically.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:08 PM
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Always a good idea to skip the first year's production of anything...

Unless you really need a brand new car, why not get a CPO M3? You won't be taking the depreciation hit (on a soon to be "obsolete" model).
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:28 PM
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I spent 2 years longer than necessary driving non-M E46 worrying about the S54's engine issues. After they were resolved, I bought a used E46M3 as a trial to see if I'd like it. It ended up being a third month of 2001 E46M3 production and has been flawless in my ownership... so flawless that ordering a new one has been pointless.

I'd order a first day build E90 M3 without thinking twice.... once some actual pics get released confirming that it's not anemic looking.
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:32 PM
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With all the problems the early e46 m3s had, engine failure specifically, would you buy a first year e90 m3, or 335i?

Im contemplating going with an e46 m3 zcp. I figure all the bugs have been worked out, the zcp is the best m3 ever made, and its basically a timeless car...but i cant help feel like its already the old m3. But the last thing i want is to be stuck with is this very expensive, problematic e90.
I am going to wait until the third or even fourth year production E90 M3, and that is only if I realy like it when BMW finally reveals it. I don't like first year production cars because of reliability concerns and because of the initial "over MSRP rape" that especially hot models like the M3 causes. And knowing BMW pretty good, a third or even a fourth model year M3 will have more standard equipment -and better tested- than the first one...
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Old 12-27-2005, 03:40 PM
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I am going to wait until the third or even fourth year production E90 M3, and that is only if I realy like it when BMW finally reveals it. I don't like first year production cars because of reliability concerns and because of the initial "over MSRP rape" that especially hot models like the M3 causes. And knowing BMW pretty good, a third or even a fourth model year M3 will have more standard equipment -and better tested- than the first one...
yea i wasnt even thinking about the over MSRP rape...which is probably going to be out of this world for the e90 m3.

As for the CPO e46 M3...thats actually what I want...but its gonna be hard to find a low miles carbon black metallic/cinnamon zcp SMG without a sunroof...but if i did find one when the time came i would definatly take it over a new one.

now that i think about it, an e46 m3 would probably be the way to go until i could find a used 3rd or 4th year e90 m3...that sounds like a good plan
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:30 PM
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Many dealers were back down to MSRP 1 year after the E46 M3 came out.

And this time the engine will be basedon the M5/6 V10, so there will be a couple of years of experience with most parts.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:36 AM
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I am so happy with my current M3 I have already put a depoit on the E90. Chris BUNGLE has tested my loyalty to a brand I have been faithfull to for 15+ years, but I think they will get it right in the end.

I, like most, am waiting for some real pictures and specs before signing off, with the coupe giving some real direction. That said the current one is so good I would own the new one in a heart beat.

I think it will be the hottest thing on 4 wheels when it gets here and am one who will pay a premium for that. If you have the money who wants to drive a model that's no longer in production?

You might like to go online and see just how many engine problems there were as a percentage of overall probuction to put it into some perspective.

Is ther glass half full or half empty? Looking at the negative what happens if you buy a used M3 owned by an idiot, what problems might you inherit then?
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:45 AM
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If you have the money who wants to drive a model that's no longer in production?
My e46 is no longer in production, however I have no desire to replace it. The car fits me like an old pair of jeans. There's nothing out there presently that I'm even remotely interested in. This includes the e60 M5 which I have the means to afford.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:56 AM
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I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I don't understand how thing work yet. However I thought this was an "M" forum? I was giving advice to a question regarding the purchase of an M3. If you are happy with your 325 and would prefer it over an M5 then I doubt we would ever be on the same page.

Have you ever owned an M? I went trrough a number of models before getting to the M series and I would never go back.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:18 PM
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This is an "M" forum, however your statement did not appear to be "M" specific.

I have not owned an "M", but hope to some day.

There are two main things about the e60 M5 that I don't care for:
1. The "Bungle" styling
2. SMG...I prefer to row myself.

I realize a 6sp manual is comming next year, but that awful styling isn't going anywhere for quite a while.

Now..the e90 M3 sedan may seduce me!!
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:23 PM
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With all the problems the early e46 m3s had, engine failure specifically, would you buy a first year e90 m3, or 335i?

Im contemplating going with an e46 m3 zcp. I figure all the bugs have been worked out, the zcp is the best m3 ever made, and its basically a timeless car...but i cant help feel like its already the old m3. But the last thing i want is to be stuck with is this very expensive, problematic e90.
I would not buy either the first model year. Both will have new engines (or tweaked old ones). I am sure there will be a slew of issues the first year.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:42 PM
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This is an "M" forum, however your statement did not appear to be "M" specific.

I have not owned an "M", but hope to some day.

There are two main things about the e60 M5 that I don't care for:
1. The "Bungle" styling
2. SMG...I prefer to row myself.

I realize a 6sp manual is comming next year, but that awful styling isn't going anywhere for quite a while.

Now..the e90 M3 sedan may seduce me!!
If you have enjoyed the 325 go have a drive of the current M3. It will blow you away, the best yet. It's a shame Bungle did that to the M5 as it has had rave reviews in Europe. Good used examples are very reasonably priced these days. If you can afford the M5 then do yourself a favour and get an M3, you will never regret it.
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If you can afford the M5 then do yourself a favour and get an M3, you will never regret it.
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Actually seeing the new M5 in person at O'fest, it is pretty awesome looking. The extra body stuff makes it look a lot better, and the front end is pure evil.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:09 AM
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If you have enjoyed the 325 go have a drive of the current M3. It will blow you away, the best yet. It's a shame Bungle did that to the M5 as it has had rave reviews in Europe. Good used examples are very reasonably priced these days. If you can afford the M5 then do yourself a favour and get an M3, you will never regret it.
I would love an e46 M3, but with two boys I need 4 doors.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:11 AM
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Actually seeing the new M5 in person at O'fest, it is pretty awesome looking. The extra body stuff makes it look a lot better, and the front end is pure evil.
I've driven by one...not that impressed.

Perhaps I need to take a nice slow walk around before I pass judgement.
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I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I don't understand how thing work yet. However I thought this was an "M" forum? I was giving advice to a question regarding the purchase of an M3. If you are happy with your 325 and would prefer it over an M5 then I doubt we would ever be on the same page.

Have you ever owned an M? I went trrough a number of models before getting to the M series and I would never go back.
Yet another M3 owner with an over inflated ego.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:37 AM
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I would love an e46 M3, but with two boys I need 4 doors.
In that case, go check out the M5...but don't forget about looking at the CLS55 as well.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:45 AM
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I have an '04 M3 coupe and I'm #1 on the E90 M3 list at my dealer. I'd buy a first year car for the following reasons: Many of the parts will come from the current M5....transmission, 7 speed SMG, and "trick" rear differential. Therefore those parts will already be tested. Also, the longer you wait, the more your current car will depreciate and thus make the money "gap" bigger between the new car price and trade-in or private sale.

As for problems....The only major problem with the E46 M3 was the bearings, and that affected '01,'02, '03 M3 engines. I really don't expect many problems with the first year M3.

The only thing I might regret would be the little improvements like the led tail lights or adding comfort access on the second year. Although for me, I'm on my third M3 (and last) for now. I like improvements and so I move up to a new model way too often....Oh well, dying a millionaire is poor financial planning....he he.

I do love the "concept" of the current ZCP on '05 and '06, and I really wanted to buy the last year with interlagos blue and ZCP, but I can't get by the steering wheel and no buttons except the "M" mode button which could easily enough be put in the center console next to the DSC button. That way we'd still have cruise control and the audio and telephone buttons on the steering wheel. I rarely use cruise control but when I do, I love it for keeping within the speed limit and giving my right foot a rest on long trips.
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Sorry but bearings and diff problems were major problems with 1 year of production. Also strut brace did not show up until 03/02 production. Sirius radio interface did not show up until 03 production and BlueTooth is not officially supported until later cars.

LOTS of running changes on cars.
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Also, the longer you wait, the more your current car will depreciate and thus make the money "gap" bigger between the new car price and trade-in or private sale.
Hahahahaha....that'll never fly with my wife, aka VP of Finance.
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Exactly why I've had 3 M3's....I love the little changes.

As for the bearing problem, it began with just a small group 11/01 to 2/02 and then it was extended until almost 2004 models. So it would have made no difference whether you bought a 2001 or waited until 2002 or 2003....you still had the bearing problem. Might as well get one of the first ones then and not wait. Life it too short to keep waiting. Sort of like waiting for the next greatest computer...in 6 months it'll be replaced by something faster and better. Thus I never wait, but instead enjoy lots of computers....and cars.
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Two different problems. 11/01 - 02/02 cars had BOTH services done.

A couple of reasons for waiting:

1) Price, E46 M3s sold for $5K - $15K over MSRP for about a year after they hit the market. And forget about any extras.

2) Options, SMG didn't show up until 11/01 production.

And you will still have the car pretty early when there are few of them. My first couple of track weekends there were less than 10 E46 M3s in attendance.

And BTW M3 depreciation levels out after the new model comes out.
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