Rode in a new Z06... holy smokes!

Originally Posted by ___lk___

compared to what?!

BR350 Evo IX (smog legal + dealer warranty)

Price: $35k
0-60mph: 3.9 s

http://www.buschurracing.com/br-evo-350.htm

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...hlight=buschur

0-60mph: 3.9 s

that stock?

Originally Posted by stoker420

that stock?

Yes. A stock tuner Evo with warranty. Check the links above.

impressive 12.6 out of the box but a 4 door



but what do I know I'm a red kneck white trash scum bag right, Nick325xiT 5spd

I drive a trans am and everything I live in a trailer but hey at least it's a double wide


holy **** I just checked your post hore count 10,000 **** dude get a life go out side drive your car get laid drink some beer beer.

"stock tuner" ? That's an oxymoron isn't it?

For the price of a C6 Z06, you can buy a BMW 325i and a BR350 Evo.

BR350 Evo IX pics
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ighlight=BR350

But if you "just" want a 4 second 0-60 and 12.6 in the 1/4 you can get a bone stock C5 Z06 to do that. Put sticky tires on it, a little dyno tuning, and say hello to high 11's.

most of the c5's i see at the track on a street night go 14's and 13's

Originally Posted by ___lk___

compared to what?!

it's one of the fastest production cars ever made. in the sandbox it's playing in, it's an almost a ridiculous bargain.

Too expensive for a certain buying group (whichever group that was).

Whoever paid $55k or less for the previous one, would they be ready to pay $70k for the new one? For what has now officially become a fair weather second car (or a dedicated track car, take your pick). That means the Z06 buyer's automotive budget has to stretch way past $100k in order to include a decent daily driver. I'm just guessing here obviously.

But if I truly were very well-off and could afford a $70k toy, I'd probably spend a little more and get something of similar performance and better in other ways (driving feel, quality, image etc.). I would not be adverse to getting the new 997 Turbo and throwing a few mods into it - that should surely get it past the Z06 in terms of performance and still make a better daily driver.

adc
03 330 ZHP

Originally Posted by Penforhire

"stock tuner" ? That's an oxymoron isn't it?

Maybe not if it's an inhouse tuner. BMW M, Mazdaspeed, AMG, SVT, etc.

Tuned, but sold that way on the showroom floor as a factory model.

Originally Posted by adc

Too expensive for a certain buying group (whichever group that was).

Whoever paid $55k or less for the previous one, would they be ready to pay $70k for the new one? For what has now officially become a fair weather second car (or a dedicated track car, take your pick). That means the Z06 buyer's automotive budget has to stretch way past $100k in order to include a decent daily driver. I'm just guessing here obviously.

But if I truly were very well-off and could afford a $70k toy, I'd probably spend a little more and get something of similar performance and better in other ways (driving feel, quality, image etc.). I would not be adverse to getting the new 997 Turbo and throwing a few mods into it - that should surely get it past the Z06 in terms of performance and still make a better daily driver.

adc
03 330 ZHP

What is so undaily about the Z06? Plenty of people I know drive their GT3 to the office also.

But then, I thought the stock E46 suspension was like butter.

Oh, and the dual purpose car need not be a nice car. You can't take a nice car to Costo, or the grocery store, or the mall, without worrying about soccer moms dinging the crap out of it. A beater is also a good solution. Some here drives a craptastic Toyota to undesirable areas and reserves his M5 for nicer places like the office with underground garage parking. Cough, Bee, Cough.

Originally Posted by Stuka

What is so undaily about the Z06? Plenty of people I know drive their GT3 to the office also.

I don't have experience driving the GT3, nor the C6 Z06 for that matter. I drove the C5 Z06 and thought it was very easy to drive fast or slow. But the efforts made by the driver during my recent C6 Z06 ride made it abundantly clear that it's a lot harder to drive than the previous generation.

It's actually what I've gleaned from all the reviews - they all say the Viper is more forgiving and gives more feel than the Vette. When the Viper becomes the friendlier one, you just have to ask yourself some survival questions...

If you have to make efforts to not end up in a ditch every time it rains, or everytime the temp drops to 50, then I cannot consider it a daily driver... I also understand that not all people are created equal and some may consider it to be perfectly docile and of adequate power. But my argument is that these will be in more of a minority than with the previous model.

Peace - it's not my intention to create dissent or to cast irrefutable opinions, I just wanted to share a few impressions. By all means, if a 996 Turbo is too slow, go ahead and try out the new Z06. But do approach it carefully, is all I'm saying...

adc
03 330 ZHP

adc has it right. I bought my C5 Z06 new for $46K. There is quite a leap to $68+K. They priced it away from me, for example. I also have a motorcycle habit and a wife's SUV needs to satisfy.

Stoker, most people can't drive. I ran 12.8 in my stock Z06 at Carlsbad Raceway (and I weigh 200 lbs 'extra'). A friend who is a better drag racer than I am ran consistent 11.9's on ET Street tires with a 'LS1 Edit' dyno tune. He got kicked out a few times for lack of a cage.

Stoker, most people can't drive. I ran 12.8 in my stock Z06 at Carlsbad Raceway

ain't that the truth.........oh you mean if i let out some air in my rear tires I won't get a 2.9 60'..........what do you mean traction controll should be turned off............ I love taking there money.

Here is a new Z06 Vette Racing a Lamborghini The Italian car sounds so much better, like a finely tuned Saxaphone but the Vette still pulls away.
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....AC6D95C085&p=3

Evo vs. Corvette

Track: Willow Springs

http://www.socalevo.net/forum/index.php?topic=15988.0

Originally Posted by adc

Whoever paid $55k or less for the previous one, would they be ready to pay $70k for the new one?

Nope - and definately not till the stealers lose the $10-20K markup. When it's at ~$62K in a couple of years, I'm a buyer.

For what has now officially become a fair weather second car (or a dedicated track car, take your pick). That means the Z06 buyer's automotive budget has to stretch way past $100k in order to include a decent daily driver. I'm just guessing here obviously.

My Bimmer's my winter/daily beater. I agree with what you say, mostly. I wouldn't want to drive the new Z06 when it's below 40, there are too many crash stories out there to chance it in a $70K machine if you have another option.

My car budget is about $70K total - for the E90 and my C5 Z, but both were purchased at different times. I've swapped out the daily/Corvette every 7 years or so on average - usually with a few years in between.

When I move to Arizona in a few years, the C6 Z will be my daily.

Willow Springs Lap Times


Mitsubishi Evo _ 1:29.55

Corvette C6 Z06 _ 1:31.8

Dodge Viper Coupe _ 1:33.1


http://socal.nasa-tt.com/WS0905.htm

http://socal.nasa-tt.com/Dieter.html

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=5

Originally Posted by MCSL

Willow Springs Lap Times


Mitsubishi Evo _ 1:29.55

Corvette C6 Z06 _ 1:31.8

Dodge Viper Coupe _ 1:33.1


http://socal.nasa-tt.com/WS0905.htm

http://socal.nasa-tt.com/Dieter.html

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=5

Just a few observations:
- Evo was running on Toyo RA1
- Vette was running on street tires
- Evo was modified (gutted interior, engine, suspension you name it), and running in the unlimited class (full-on racecars, basically), trailered
- Vette was stock, went back home on it's own power

Put the Vette on RA1's and it will post a better time than the Evo.
Transform it into a full-on race car and it will be so much faster than the Evo, won't even be funny.

My "criticism" of the Vette (aside from the sour grapes) is that it's expensive, and no longer a daily driver. But as a track/race car, it would be stupendous - and would take a much much faster Evo to beat it. Come to think of it, not even that would probably suffice, because you never saw any Evos winning a LeMans race...



adc
03 330 ZHP

Originally Posted by adc

Put the Vette on RA1's and it will post a better time than the Evo.
Transform it into a full-on race car and it will be so much faster than the Evo, won't even be funny.

Dieter Kijora’s Evo is a mild-tune racecar. There’re faster Evos.

Sears Point (Infineon) Lap Times


SCCA ITE Evo _ 1:45.277

OTC U1 Viper _ 1:45.800

OTC T1 Corvette _ 1:55.574


http://www.sfrscca.org/Results/20050904/gq1.htm

http://www.muellerized.com/pics/92-s...5/DSCN1688.JPG

http://www.opentrackchallenge.com/re...ass_04_sp.html

Sure there are faster Evo's, just like there is such a thing as the C5R and C6R. Put up the "best" Evo against the "best" vette and see who wins (edit - T1 doesn't allow very much in mods). If it is a just drag race then pick a LPE world-record vette (though I imagine the difference in drag racing is less than the road-race difference).

Originally Posted by Penforhire

Sure there are faster Evo's, just like there is such a thing as the C5R and C6R. Put up the "best" Evo against the "best" vette and see who wins (edit - T1 doesn't allow very much in mods). If it is a just drag race then pick a LPE world-record vette (though I imagine the difference in drag racing is less than the road-race difference).

Exactly... just add RA-1s and the stock Z06 *will* be faster.

That being said, I wouldn't want to own either.

adc
03 330 ZHP

You're trying to compare a free for all class (ITE), in which you're free to do anythign you want to the car to T1, which requires that you keep the frigging interior and and doesn't allow you to make very many changes? The C6-R is legal in ITE.

Originally Posted by Nick325xiT 5spd

You're trying to compare a free for all class (ITE), in which you're free to do anythign you want to the car to T1, which requires that you keep the frigging interior and and doesn't allow you to make very many changes?

The OTC U1 Viper is an unlimited racecar.