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335i $47K , true?
Sources? Or you just trying to start an unrealistic rumor?
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Sources? Or you just trying to start an unrealistic rumor?
No. I want to verify ...as I thought I read soemwhere that was 47K and I heard a guy saying that it will be 50K-55K. I would not believe of course. US$ of course.
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Nobody knows for sure yet. It will probably still be a while before we hear actually pricing info (especially considering we haven't even seen a freaking official announcement yet).

But $47k starting is HIGHLY unlikely IMO.
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I think a 335i w/ SP, PP, heated seats would be like $48k.
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I think bringing the 335i to the US as the coupe and for 47K would make sense since the next gen M3 would be closer to 60K. It fills the gap. But what I just wrote is truly stupid and "out of my butt" ... trying to figure out if the 335i will in fact be US (coupe being 330) and the next gen M3 being 50K. See, I'm confused.
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To answer the original posters question: No.

The general understanding is that base 335i Coupe will be about $42k. If it replaces the 330 (ie: 328/335) it is believed it would be even less. My understanding is the 335 will come standard with some premium package components as well.

A $20k price gap between the M models is not uncommon. The price between the 550 and M5, and the 650 and M6 are both just over $20k. BMW is pushing hard to seperate the M models more and more.

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A $20k price gap between the M models is not uncommon. The price between the 550 and M5, and the 650 and M6 are both just over $20k. BMW is pushing hard to seperate the M models more and more.

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That's absolutely right. People act like BMW needs to fill the "gap" between the highest model of a certain line and the M version of that line. That's just not the case. The M is a completely different animal and BMW makes that clear. Even on the BMW website, the M cars are put in a different catagory.

My guess/hope for the BASE price of the 335 is $39.6k. I think BMW can't possibly go that much higher with the base price of the 3 with so many lower priced alternatives coming soon (IS coupe and G35 coupe). Those models have just as much power and significantly lower starting prices.

$42 is very possible of course but I'm just basing it on the fact that the coupe is typically $1k more than the sedan. The 330 sedan starts at $36.6 so I'm thinking the 330 coupe will be $37.6. Then a $2k premium for the turbo and you've got $39.6.
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That's absolutely right. People act like BMW needs to fill the "gap" between the highest model of a certain line and the M version of that line. That's just not the case. The M is a completely different animal and BMW makes that clear. Even on the BMW website, the M cars are put in a different catagory.

My guess/hope for the BASE price of the 335 is $39.6k. I think BMW can't possibly go that much higher with the base price of the 3 with so many lower priced alternatives coming soon (IS coupe and G35 coupe). Those models have just as much power and significantly lower starting prices.
Exactly. It's one thing to be expensive within class, but it's another thing to leave the class via pricing. I guess it has been done before, MB. Seriously, I agree with you, I hope.
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That estimated 47k base price is waay high but it wouldn't surprise me it was true.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's EXTREMELY unlikely that BMWNA prices ANY 3 series (M models aside, naturally) beyond that of the entry level 5 series (in this case, the 525i starting @ $43500).

The marketing implications are beyond obvious.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's EXTREMELY unlikely that BMWNA prices ANY 3 series (M models aside, naturally) beyond that of the entry level 5 series (in this case, the 525i starting @ $43500).

The marketing implications are beyond obvious.
Yes, but the 525 could become 528 and start around $45.5... (I came up with that number by splitting the difference between the current 525 and 530).

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If 335 is to REPLACE 330, not a model on top of 330, it'll be less likely priced above $40k. You could make all kinds of wild guess, I view it from a marketing perspective.

In today US market, $40k (base price) is the ceiling for "near luxury car", and BMW 3 is by far the king in this sector. There are all kinds of comparos, but 330 always stand out. If 335 goes out of range, it'll leave 328 the only model in the "eanr luxo" sector, and it'll have little chance to keep the crown.

You may argue that it's unfair to compare 215hp (or 235hp) 328 with 298hp G35 or 306hp I350. yes it's unfair, but all of the comparos are about the cars in the same sector, and 328 is the only one in this sector. I don't believe BMW want to give up the crown in any of the comparos. That's why 335 better to stay in the "near luxo" price range, at least the sedan.

If 335 is to be palced on top of 330, no doubt it will command $5-6k premium over 330.
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Exactly. It's one thing to be expensive within class, but it's another thing to leave the class via pricing. I guess it has been done before, MB. Seriously, I agree with you, I hope.
It'll be easy to move the 335i into the $40's as a base price, considerin that the coupes usually come with more standard features anyway, such as the sport suspension.
Also, the 335i will be a higher performance version higher still than the 330i.

The 330i sedan starts in the upper $30's, there is no way the 335i couple will be anywhere near the $40k start, let alone under that.
It's been said the coupes are supposed to move "upmarket", and that generally means "higher priced".

That's my "out of my butt" opinion.
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It'll be easy to move the 335i into the $40's as a base price, considerin that the coupes usually come with more standard features anyway, such as the sport suspension.
Also, the 335i will be a higher performance version higher still than the 330i.

The 330i sedan starts in the upper $30's, there is no way the 335i couple will be anywhere near the $40k start, let alone under that.
It's been said the coupes are supposed to move "upmarket", and that generally means "higher priced".

That's my "out of my butt" opinion.
My prediction is 41k~, The Lexus IS350 leather and luxury features standard is about 36k. That car gas 306hp. Now if BMW 335 was going to REPLACE the 330 and make the cost 45k, they are going to be in some market trouble. As a customer view, a lexus IS, G35, is about $10,000 CHEAPER if bmw 335 was priced at 45k+. Not even BMWS handling can save them from that $10,000 gap
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I went to my dealer a few days agao and he showed me the official BMWNA release...it stated that in may 325i and 330i production will stop and in June the 328i and 335i production will start...so the 335i will replace the 330i. (and since it is only a replacement model I think it will be priced close to the current 330i price or maybe a bit more but with more toys....)

Based on that I will make a prediction that the 335i 4dr will start no more then 2k (if even that much) then the current 330i

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I put my guess in this poll: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16641

Its interesting to see what most people guess.
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I went to my dealer a few days agao and he showed me the official BMWNA release...it stated that in may 325i and 330i production will stop and in June the 328i and 335i production will start...so the 335i will replace the 330i. (and since it is only a replacement model I think it will be priced close to the current 330i price or maybe a bit more but with more toys....)

Based on that I will make a prediction that the 335i 4dr will start no more then 2k (if even that much) then the current 330i

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You're welcome. However, here is what you are missing.
The 325i and 330i have been sedans. The letter "C" designated the coupes.
The new coupes will not use the "C" designation. Thus the new E92 coupes will be
325i/328i/330i/335i or whatever.
In June the current E46 coupes (325Ci and 330Ci) will stop production as the new E92 coupes come in the market. At first, there is to be a 335i and a lower version.
Now, it's possible that there may not be a 330i coupe, and that is where the confusion is. Also, yes the 2006 E90 325i and 330i sedans will stop and production and order of the 2007 model year E90 will begin and they are still the 325i and 330i with perhaps a 335i added. The 325i and 330i sedans appear to be here for the 2007 model year. Dealers will say anything. I was just at a BMW dealer shopping for my next car and I was told the new coupes will probably not be here until the fall.
I couldn't verify that one way or the other.

This is an E90 FORUM not an E92. So, if you want to speak of the new coupes and what they will or will not replace then state that you are talking about coupes and not E90 sedans.

Are you saying you saw actual BMW documents stating that a 335i sedan and 328i sedan are coming this summer to the US?
If so, then you are mistaken as that hasn't been announced yet.

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If BMW is planning on dropping the 330i sedan and replace it with the 335i (coupe turned into a four door) then I'd assume the 335i seden would get the same face lift styling of the coupe that's coming out and everyone who just purchased the 330i seden (who thought it was top of the line in front of M) would get pretty upset because they're car is outdated in just two-years? Only two-years then complete replacement and daul-turbo envy? Am I making any sense at all? I'm pretty busy at work right now.

If I was a current 330i sedan owner and knew this was going to happen just a year after purchasing, I'd ask BMW to give me my money back. Would you all get very upset at me if I said that I personally believe that the 335i will be EU only and the 335i (twin turbo) that everyone thinks is coming our way actually ends up as a 330i coupe (with 335i facelift) but keeps the current motor? Then comes the M3 and the sensible 20K gap? Does this make marketing sense?
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My SA also confirmed the 335i and 328i for sedans, replacing the 325i and 330i but it will be one year after the coupe release. So all you 330i owners, don't worry it will be a while before the engine gets replaced. I can't wait to order the 335xi, by then I'll be looking into purchasing an e90. When did the e46 replace the 323 and 328 w/ the 325 and 330? Was it 3 years after the e46 release?
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When did the e46 replace the 323 and 328 w/ the 325 and 330? Was it 3 years after the e46 release?
The 330 coupe and sedan made their debut in June of 2000 as an early 2001 model, while the 325 followed in September of that year. Two years after the introduction of the E46 sedan.
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If BMW is planning on dropping the 330i sedan and replace it with the 335i (coupe turned into a four door) then I'd assume the 335i seden would get the same face lift styling of the coupe that's coming out and everyone who just purchased the 330i seden (who thought it was top of the line in front of M) would get pretty upset because they're car is outdated in just two-years? Only two-years then complete replacement and daul-turbo envy? Am I making any sense at all? I'm pretty busy at work right now.
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If I was a current 330i sedan owner and knew this was going to happen just a year after purchasing, I'd ask BMW to give me my money back. Would you all get very upset at me if I said that I personally believe that the 335i will be EU only and the 335i (twin turbo) that everyone thinks is coming our way actually ends up as a 330i coupe (with 335i facelift) but keeps the current motor? Then comes the M3 and the sensible 20K gap? Does this make marketing sense?
No, it doesn't, because virtually every supposed 3 series competitor on the US market is or will soon be available in a 3.5L/~300 hp configuration. Doesn't really make sense for BMW to claim the performance mantra when they have the slowest and weakest car in a given segment, handling and driving feel be damned. The public doesn't understand that. They're primarily interested in horsepower combined with pretty little blue and white badges.

If BMW does care about the egos of 330 owners, well, that would be a first: because virtually every engine/model I can think of that has been produced over the past decade has been replaced with a more powerful alternative and little to no price increase beyond inflationary measures.

Prominent examples: 318 to 323 (E36), 328 to 330 (E46), 5/6/745 to 5/6/750, Z4 3.0i to 3.0si, Z4 2.5i to 3.0i, and so forth. And those are just engine swaps; not including any upgrades performed to the line with generational switchovers (e.g. E46 to E90). Oh hell, even the old Z3 M Roadster and Coupe models gained a full 100 hp between 2000 and 2001 with a fairly marginal price increase.
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The 330 coupe and sedan made their debut in June of 2000 as an early 2001 model, while the 325 followed in September of that year. Two years after the introduction of the E46 sedan.
Ok that makes sense then, since BMW did this previously, around the same time, it looks like they will be doing this w/ every 3 model. The turbo 335i will be a nice addition in sedans and good competition w/ the top of the line lexus IS model.
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