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My SA also confirmed the 335i and 328i for sedans, replacing the 325i and 330i but it will be one year after the coupe release. So all you 330i owners, don't worry it will be a while before the engine gets replaced. I can't wait to order the 335xi, by then I'll be looking into purchasing an e90. When did the e46 replace the 323 and 328 w/ the 325 and 330? Was it 3 years after the e46 release?
A "servcie advisor"?
Now that should not be taken as definitive.

Also, most people agree that the 335i sedan will come, but not along with the coupes.
Thus, the 335i will probably be a 2008 model. Also, there may be a 335i sedan, but there has been no evidence or definitive word that the 330i will be replaced by a 335i.
If BMW is going to want to compete in the regular market with an engine update, I doubt they will choose a turbo over larger displacement.
They could easily go to a 3.2 or 3.3 liter engine to keep weight down and get more power in the regular 3 series.
I'm still holding out that the 335i will be a "performance model" in the same vain as
the ZHP-Performance Pkg. was for the E46, except it will cost a LOT more.
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You're welcome. However, here is what you are missing.
The 325i and 330i have been sedans. The letter "C" designated the coupes.
The new coupes will not use the "C" designation. Thus the new E92 coupes will be
325i/328i/330i/335i or whatever.
In June the current E46 coupes (325Ci and 330Ci) will stop production as the new E92 coupes come in the market. At first, there is to be a 335i and a lower version.
Now, it's possible that there may not be a 330i coupe, and that is where the confusion is. Also, yes the 2006 E90 325i and 330i sedans will stop and production and order of the 2007 model year E90 will begin and they are still the 325i and 330i with perhaps a 335i added. The 325i and 330i sedans appear to be here for the 2007 model year. Dealers will say anything. I was just at a BMW dealer shopping for my next car and I was told the new coupes will probably not be here until the fall.
I couldn't verify that one way or the other.

This is an E90 FORUM not an E92. So, if you want to speak of the new coupes and what they will or will not replace then state that you are talking about coupes and not E90 sedans.

Are you saying you saw actual BMW documents stating that a 335i sedan and 328i sedan are coming this summer to the US?
If so, then you are mistaken as that hasn't been announced yet.
Holy crap this is confusing......
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This is an E90 FORUM not an E92. So, if you want to speak of the new coupes and what they will or will not replace then state that you are talking about coupes and not E90 sedans.
I mostly agree, with the similar designations for the e9x's it makes things hard to understand. But this forum should be relabeled an e9x forum instead of e90. It's the only place at Bimmerfest.com to discuss the new 3 series. If it were only an e90 forum (not e92) then all those e91 owners would be posting in the wrong place too.

As far as the 335i goes, the only information that is close to confirmation is the coupe. So if anyone discusses the 335i I assume they mean coupe. It is yet to be determined if there will be a 335i sedan and if there is a sedan, when it will be released (a year or more).

I think if people are going to refer to the 335i as a sedan they should make note as the only 335i so far is the coupe.
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A "servcie advisor"?
Now that should not be taken as definitive.

Also, most people agree that the 335i sedan will come, but not along with the coupes.
Thus, the 335i will probably be a 2008 model. Also, there may be a 335i sedan, but there has been no evidence or definitive word that the 330i will be replaced by a 335i.
If BMW is going to want to compete in the regular market with an engine update, I doubt they will choose a turbo over larger displacement.
They could easily go to a 3.2 or 3.3 liter engine to keep weight down and get more power in the regular 3 series.

I'm still holding out that the 335i will be a "performance model" in the same vain as
the ZHP-Performance Pkg. was for the E46, except it will cost a LOT more.
If you read the Automotive News you would have seen an article in the April 10th issue about BMWs future strategy for motors. The article was titled 'BMW's engine strategy: Brainy, not brawny'. Basically AN notes the era of making engines bigger is over at BMW. BMW plans to use turbochargers, more efficient valve trains and advanced electronics to boost performance while increasing fuel economy. The new gasoline turbo (which we are all pretty sure will be in the 335i coupe) is the first use of what will be a mainstream engine strategy for BMW.

Also, if you read the press releases for the new N54 bi-turbo engine you will see BMW makes note of the turbo being able to have the power of a 4 liter V8 with the fuel efficiency and weight of a 3 liter I6 and all at a reduced cost compared to a larger engine.

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They could easily go to a 3.2 or 3.3 liter engine to keep weight down and get more power in the regular 3 series.
I'm still holding out that the 335i will be a "performance model" in the same vain as
the ZHP-Performance Pkg. was for the E46, except it will cost a LOT more.
It has been pointed out that the new bi-turbo engine will not be much heavier than the Valvetronic equipped N/A 3.0.

Also, due to the small bore spacing, it is virtually impossible to increase the displacement of the current N/A 3.0. They will have to design a brand new engine.

You can take the turbo engine in the US as a pretty much a given thing at this point.
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lets just hope the 330 is replaced by 335 just to keep the price ceiling of the upper, non-M model low. don't give them more reason to raise price. thank god for the strong competition of lexus/infiniti. even if you don't like their cars, its helping to keep BMW value in-check. they needed this competition. its funny how people try to cut down and hope the compeition doesn't evolve, but as a consumer, how can anybody argue against more choices, more performance, and lower relative prices -- better value...
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A "servcie advisor"?
Now that should not be taken as definitive.

Also, most people agree that the 335i sedan will come, but not along with the coupes.
Thus, the 335i will probably be a 2008 model. Also, there may be a 335i sedan, but there has been no evidence or definitive word that the 330i will be replaced by a 335i.
If BMW is going to want to compete in the regular market with an engine update, I doubt they will choose a turbo over larger displacement.
They could easily go to a 3.2 or 3.3 liter engine to keep weight down and get more power in the regular 3 series.
I'm still holding out that the 335i will be a "performance model" in the same vain as
the ZHP-Performance Pkg. was for the E46, except it will cost a LOT more.
You didn't read the past posts on this thread, or you would see that BMW has always changed up the engines 2-3 years into the model. Its not a big deal, its their way of going forward, and yes, it was also confirmed by the manager of the dealership that this transition will be made. Like said in the previous post, this sedan will be release ONE year after the coupe. Your speculation is nothing else than that.
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Progress is a part of life.

No, it doesn't, because virtually every supposed 3 series competitor on the US market is or will soon be available in a 3.5L/~300 hp configuration. Doesn't really make sense for BMW to claim the performance mantra when they have the slowest and weakest car in a given segment, handling and driving feel be damned. The public doesn't understand that. They're primarily interested in horsepower combined with pretty little blue and white badges.

If BMW does care about the egos of 330 owners, well, that would be a first: because virtually every engine/model I can think of that has been produced over the past decade has been replaced with a more powerful alternative and little to no price increase beyond inflationary measures.

Prominent examples: 318 to 323 (E36), 328 to 330 (E46), 5/6/745 to 5/6/750, Z4 3.0i to 3.0si, Z4 2.5i to 3.0i, and so forth. And those are just engine swaps; not including any upgrades performed to the line with generational switchovers (e.g. E46 to E90). Oh hell, even the old Z3 M Roadster and Coupe models gained a full 100 hp between 2000 and 2001 with a fairly marginal price increase.
Wow, that awesome.
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This is an E90 FORUM not an E92. So, if you want to speak of the new coupes and what they will or will not replace then state that you are talking about coupes and not E90 sedans.
I mostly agree, with the similar designations for the e9x's it makes things hard to understand. But this forum should be relabeled an e9x forum instead of e90. It's the only place at Bimmerfest.com to discuss the new 3 series. If it were only an e90 forum (not e92) then all those e91 owners would be posting in the wrong place too.

As far as the 335i goes, the only information that is close to confirmation is the coupe. So if anyone discusses the 335i I assume they mean coupe. It is yet to be determined if there will be a 335i sedan and if there is a sedan, when it will be released (a year or more).

I think if people are going to refer to the 335i as a sedan they should make note as the only 335i so far is the coupe.
It seems the powers-that-be have seen this and just renamed this forum the E90/E91/E92 (2006+) forum.

I'm sure E93 will be added when the convertible gets close to launching.
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If BMW is planning on dropping the 330i sedan and replace it with the 335i (coupe turned into a four door) then I'd assume the 335i seden would get the same face lift styling of the coupe that's coming out and everyone who just purchased the 330i seden (who thought it was top of the line in front of M) would get pretty upset because they're car is outdated in just two-years? Only two-years then complete replacement and daul-turbo envy? Am I making any sense at all? I'm pretty busy at work right now.

If I was a current 330i sedan owner and knew this was going to happen just a year after purchasing, I'd ask BMW to give me my money back. Would you all get very upset at me if I said that I personally believe that the 335i will be EU only and the 335i (twin turbo) that everyone thinks is coming our way actually ends up as a 330i coupe (with 335i facelift) but keeps the current motor? Then comes the M3 and the sensible 20K gap? Does this make marketing sense?
I have been told by a Sale Mgr friend that-335i FOR NA WILL BE A COUPE ONLY AND THAT PRODUCTION FOR NA HAS BEEN MOVED BACK TO 3RD OR 4TH QTR OF 06 AND THAT IF WE GET A SEDAN MODEL, IT WOULD NOT BE UNTIL 2008 MODEL AT EARLIEST! PRICE HE DOES NOT KNOW AND HIS GUESS WOULD BE JUST THAT-A GUESS.
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lets just hope the 330 is replaced by 335 just to keep the price ceiling of the upper, non-M model low. don't give them more reason to raise price. thank god for the strong competition of lexus/infiniti. even if you don't like their cars, its helping to keep BMW value in-check. they needed this competition. its funny how people try to cut down and hope the compeition doesn't evolve, but as a consumer, how can anybody argue against more choices, more performance, and lower relative prices -- better value...
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lets just hope the 330 is replaced by 335 just to keep the price ceiling of the upper, non-M model low. don't give them more reason to raise price. thank god for the strong competition of lexus/infiniti. even if you don't like their cars, its helping to keep BMW value in-check. they needed this competition. its funny how people try to cut down and hope the compeition doesn't evolve, but as a consumer, how can anybody argue against more choices, more performance, and lower relative prices -- better value...
amen to that - like someone said before, nobody is going to pay $10,000 more for a blue and white roundel when they can get a G35 Coupe or IS350 with 300+ bhp...
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Just wonder why until today I am still hearing 335i is a replacement of 330i ?
First, there is no such thing called 335i sedan but only 335i coupe, at least no reliable source stating that there is a 335i sedan.
Second, I thought it is pretty clear to everyone by now, the 335i coupe is with one single engine version which is the new BMW 3.0 Turbo
engine 310hp. Thus, that makes me believe that 335i coupe E92 is a class stands on its own.
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Just wonder why until today I am still hearing 335i is a replacement of 330i ?
First, there is no such thing called 335i sedan but only 335i coupe, at least no reliable source stating that there is a 335i sedan.
Second, I thought it is pretty clear to everyone by now, the 335i coupe is with one single engine version which is the new BMW 3.0 Turbo
engine 310hp. Thus, that makes me believe that 335i coupe E92 is a class stands on its own.
My dealer showed me the production schedule for this year. The 325i/330i sedans will stop being produced at the end of July. When the factory opens up again in September 328i/335i sedans will be produced. Also 328i/335i coupes will start production at that time.

I hope someone can get and post a copy of that BMW production schedule.
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My dealer showed me the production schedule for this year. The 325i/330i sedans will stop being produced at the end of July. When the factory opens up again in September 328i/335i sedans will be produced. Also 328i/335i coupes will start production at that time.

I hope someone can get and post a copy of that BMW production schedule.

I trust what you said. What bothers me is until today , still someone like 7KRM does not seem to agree the 330i is fading out.
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Take a look at this link and the whole 325i and 330i debate is over...for the coupes at least

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/futur...e/techdata.htm

and I cant see BMW not following through with the sedan 1 year later.....anyone who is thinking about getting an E90 330i should wait...because like I stated before I dont think the price will be very different...if you want the 325i then just get it because I cant see 15 hp have some one wait for almost 2yr to get the car.....I knew I made the right choice going with the 325i.....Ill be placing my order for the 335i ED very soon....
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It's too bad it might take a year for the sedan to get the turbo. But yes, the debate for the coupe is over. The article on BMWUSA (so no one can argue that this is Euro only) clearly states that there is a 328, 328xi and 335. No 330 for the coupe.

If they do the same for the sedan, then the 335 SEDAN will NOT be much higher than the current 330, and history will repeat itself as Akhabaat has been saying for months now.

Guess I'm going to have to buy a POS used Saturn or something for a year I was really looking forward to getting into a 335 coupe this fall, but I think I'll miss the extra 2 doors. Then again, I'm probably one of the people who like the looks of the coupe MORE than the sedan. After all the camo came off, the coupe really is stunning. The rear is not too long (some people were posting images with incorrect aspect ratios). The lights look great. Btw, the rear lights are LED (read the press release).

The comfort seatbelt thing would be a godsend if I get the coupe. I hate having to twist around to get the belt in most coupes.

Man. decisions. Get the 335 coupe this fall, or wait a year for the 335 sedan? If the 335 sedan really does come out this fall, it will be awesome.

I wonder if the 07 330 sedan will get the 270 hp N52 that the EURO 330 coupe is getting? Still, it will be worth the wait for the 305 hp.

To people who say that there will always be something better; that's not entirely true. If I wait one year for the 335 sedan, then the next generation will be 5-6 years out (modulo another mid-term face lift).

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I have been told by a Sale Mgr friend that-335i FOR NA WILL BE A COUPE ONLY AND THAT PRODUCTION FOR NA HAS BEEN MOVED BACK TO 3RD OR 4TH QTR OF 06 AND THAT IF WE GET A SEDAN MODEL, IT WOULD NOT BE UNTIL 2008 MODEL AT EARLIEST! PRICE HE DOES NOT KNOW AND HIS GUESS WOULD BE JUST THAT-A GUESS.

Then why does the BMWUSA site say that the coupe 335 will be available in SEPTEMBER? (implying a SOP of June) ?
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That's curious...smack dab between the 325i and 330i. Even the torque has been adjusted perfectly. Marketing, anyone?
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Then why does the BMWUSA site say that the coupe 335 will be available in SEPTEMBER? (implying a SOP of June) ?
All these people are wrong...328/335 coupe SOP is June...328/335 sedan is September...unlike most on this/other boards my contact has not been wrong yet.
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All these people are wrong...328/335 coupe SOP is June...328/335 sedan is September...unlike most on this/other boards my contact has not been wrong yet.
According to BMWNA's own US site: "The all-new 3 Series Coupe is hitting the roads in September..."

So yes, no reason to doubt you or your contact at this point.
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According to BMWNA's own US site: "The all-new 3 Series Coupe is hitting the roads in September..."

So yes, no reason to doubt you or your contact at this point.
Or when I posted a lot of this many months before...
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Or when I posted a lot of this many months before...
Well, I've supported the 328/335 idea since the beginning, simply because it makes sense from a marketing point of view. Especially with Lexus ramping up sales and production of the IS350 and Infiniti about to release a new version of the G35 (when the first made so much of a splash to begin with).
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