335i $47K , true?

Originally Posted by Suraj

There have been numerous replies on this thread with people waiting anxiously for 335 sedan when and if it becomes available.

But isn't a bi-turbo new for BMW, atleast in recent past? Usually it takes them 2-3 years after the release of a new product to fix issues/bugs. So, even if bi-turbo debuts this year, I would rather wait 18-24 months before getting a car with it.

Also, do you think the 5 series and X5 would get the bi-trubo soon?

Where do you guys get the idea that BMW is new to turbos? Honestly, they've used turbos since their days building aircraft engines. Over the past decade they've been churning out excellent diesel engines ... those have turbos.

Wasn't the last gas turbo produced more than a decade back?

As with any new BMW product, it takes 1-2 revisions before they work through the initial quality issues. I suspect that would be the case with the bi-turbo engine as well.

Originally Posted by mundo74

I agree. Based on an article floating around from Autoweek, Turbos and other techno advancements are the wave of the future for BMW, even the Mini S is going turbo. Its all about fuel economy/power ratio, and this will make or break a manufacturer going forward. The 335 turbo engine will be mainstream IMO. Also I dont think it will command a high premium as others say because it will aslo be competing with the IS350 and G35.

On a sidenote if the guys at Nissan did not do their homework and deliver a V6 that give the same subpar fuel economy I believe they are in for a big dissapointment in sales if gas continues to be $3+/gal

So true. The car market's going to get turned upside down when gas tops $4/gallon. BMW should be relatively safe, with the 330 getting 30 mpg, and the 335 getting 27 mpg.

Originally Posted by Suraj

Wasn't the last gas turbo produced more than a decade back?

As with any new BMW product, it takes 1-2 revisions before they work through the initial quality issues. I suspect that would be the case with the bi-turbo engine as well.

They can't build a reliable NA engine - sorry bad experiences with the 3.0 - so I'm not expecting quality from BMW. Just fun.

Given their extensive experience with turbos - diesel/gas, it doesn't matter - I think they're just as qualified as anyone else.

Hell, honda's releasing a turbo here too - the RDX. I expect by the end of the decade we're going to see a bunch of turbo and supercharger (perhaps twincharging) designs hitting the streets. More efficienct, more power, smaller engines = better mileage without any penalites. Audi/VW have proven that a 2.0 with small turbos can be reliable, fun and efficient.

330i is already on V8 mpg. 335i will be on V10 mpg. Driving a BMW these days is a true luxury

Originally Posted by blueguydotcom

They can't build a reliable NA engine - sorry bad experiences with the 3.0 - so I'm not expecting quality from BMW. Just fun......... Audi/VW have proven that a 2.0 with small turbos can be reliable, fun and efficient.

Unfortunately I don't think Audi is any better at building reliable small turbo engines than BMW is at building I6s. From my experience with our 2003 1.8T Jetta and that of other owners at www.vwvortex.com, coil and water pump failures are very common, together with dipping idle and not to mention what happens if you don't change the timing belt before the recommended interval. Our 2.5L BMW I6 has never had a problem in 114,000km, compared with new coils at 30,000km and a new water pump at 40,000km on the VW.

That said, my overall impression is that both BMW and VW engines in general are reliable enough (probably similar to average Japanese engines), with the edge going to BMW in my opinion.

UK E92 spec same as our spec. Price can be scaled:
Announced:
E92 325i SE , 2.5L, 218hp, 25.5 kgm , 6.9s, Direct Injection (Piezo),Valvetronic,VANOS.(usd50K)
E92 335i SE , 3.0L, 306hp, 40.8 kgm , 5.5s, Twin Turbo,Valvetronic,VANOS.
(UK price: usd60K; Our price: usd85k)
Coming next:
E92 330i, 3.0L, 272hp, magnesium alloy engine
E92 330d, 3.0L, 231hp, 51 kgm, 6.6s, Disel engine
Conclusion:-
1. 325i 2.5L remains
2. 328i 3.0L Direct Injection (Piezo),Valvetronic,VANOS, only for USA.
3. 330i 3.0L NA remains
4. 335i 3.0L Turbo for E90 unknown
5. E92 335i usa price $47 not yet confirmed.
Ref:-
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/about/new...178607,00.html

Originally Posted by cntlaw

Coming next:
E92 330i, 3.0L, 272hp, magnesium alloy engine
E92 330d, 3.0L, 231hp, 51 kgm, 6.6s, Disel engine
Conclusion:-
1. 325i 2.5L remains
2. 328i 3.0L Direct Injection (Piezo),Valvetronic,VANOS, only for USA.

I agree that the 328 will be for the U.S. only, however at this point, the U.S. version of that 3.0 liter engine does not have Direct Injection;;
only Valvetronic, Double Vanos & the magnesium alloy block.

Originally Posted by Suraj

There have been numerous replies on this thread with people waiting anxiously for 335 sedan when and if it becomes available.

But isn't a bi-turbo new for BMW, atleast in recent past? Usually it takes them 2-3 years after the release of a new product to fix issues/bugs. So, even if bi-turbo debuts this year, I would rather wait 18-24 months before getting a car with it.

Also, do you think the 5 series and X5 would get the bi-trubo soon?

18-24 months>? that's PERFECT because I'll be in my junior/senior year of college at the time: A perfect time to get a BMW haha

i heard the 335i price will be out on 5th July?

Originally Posted by cntlaw

i heard the 335i price will be out on 5th July?

yes

It is 6th July already on this side of the Earth.
Please post price list.

Just heard USA 335i official based price over 40K , adding those must have options, it will be ~47K.

Originally Posted by cntlaw

Just heard USA 335i official based price over 40K , adding those must have options, it will be ~47K.

I wasn't going to say anything but is this your attempt to cover up your inaccurate price predictions for the US? Trying to rationalize yourself to $47K so you can claim you were right.

What are the must have options? To every person the "must haves" are different. Thats why we all discuss base price. For over a decade you could always carefully configure a BMW 3er coupe for $47 in the US, but that doesnt change the base price.

What if my must haves are just CA... then my price would be $41K. Or someone feels they "must have" everything putting the price near $55k. The fact is the 335 doesnt cost $47K unless you configure some perfectly chosen set of options. The reality is the 335 costs a couple hundred over $40k and whatever options people choose will put the price between the base price and well into the $50's... not necessarily $47K.

Hopefully now you realize comparing US prices to other countries doesnt work.

Originally Posted by user1

I wasn't going to say anything but is this your attempt to cover up your inaccurate price predictions for the US? Trying to rationalize yourself to $47K so you can claim you were right.

What are the must have options? To every person the "must haves" are different. Thats why we all discuss base price. For over a decade you could always carefully configure a BMW 3er coupe for $47 in the US, but that doesnt change the base price.

What if my must haves are just CA... then my price would be $41K. Or someone feels they "must have" everything putting the price near $55k. The fact is the 335 doesnt cost $47K unless you configure some perfectly chosen set of options. The reality is the 335 costs a couple hundred over $40k and whatever options people choose will put the price between the base price and well into the $50's... not necessarily $47K.

Hopefully now you realize comparing US prices to other countries doesnt work.

Exactly. I wouldn't consider the e92 (ugly as sin and not keen on two doors) but given the 34k ED price, I'd assume a 38.5k sale price (leather, manual, profit, shipping, PDC, sport package) is quite possible.

Originally Posted by user1

I wasn't going to say anything but is this your attempt to cover up your inaccurate price predictions for the US? Trying to rationalize yourself to $47K so you can claim you were right.

I previously typed out the same thing but didnt hit submit

Originally Posted by user1

I wasn't going to say anything but is this your attempt to cover up your inaccurate price predictions for the US? Trying to rationalize yourself to $47K so you can claim you were right.

What are the must have options? To every person the "must haves" are different. Thats why we all discuss base price. For over a decade you could always carefully configure a BMW 3er coupe for $47 in the US, but that doesnt change the base price.

What if my must haves are just CA... then my price would be $41K. Or someone feels they "must have" everything putting the price near $55k. The fact is the 335 doesnt cost $47K unless you configure some perfectly chosen set of options. The reality is the 335 costs a couple hundred over $40k and whatever options people choose will put the price between the base price and well into the $50's... not necessarily $47K.

Hopefully now you realize comparing US prices to other countries doesnt work.

user 1 : yes, i am coming back here to HUNT YOU DOWN. i think it is time you stop struggling stop your BS, you LOSE already . MY formula doesnt work with your shortage of experience of International car shopping prices, but it was fccking worked for me, and that is it. The price is gonna be fcccking $47K! Tell me who in this forum will buy a 335i luxury for base price 40K for an empty car ? Just tell me who , show me his invoice and I will be happy. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by cntlaw

The price is gonna be fcccking $47K! Tell me who in this forum will buy a 335i luxury for base price 40K for an empty car ? Just tell me who , show me his invoice and I will be happy. Have a nice day.

Uh... easy on the crack there buddy. How the hell are you so sure how everyone else will configure his/her car? Just because you want all kinds of crap on your car doesn't mean that everyone else does. You could argue that "most" will buy it loaded, but before long someone will get one with barely no additional options.

I certainly don't buy your claim about you predicting the price right. It has been pointed out numourous times in the past that your formula has no real basis, but still it was all good since we were all just having fun.

The truth is that you based your prediction on the fact that the 335i costs 36% more than the 330i in HK. Turns out here in the US it costs less than 10% more. You were way off. So what. Just let it go man. And stop swearing at a guy who points out the obvious.

Originally Posted by cntlaw

user 1 : yes, i am coming back here to HUNT YOU DOWN. i think it is time you stop struggling stop your BS, you LOSE already . MY formula doesnt work with your shortage of experience of International car shopping prices, but it was fccking worked for me, and that is it. The price is gonna be fcccking $47K! Tell me who in this forum will buy a 335i luxury for base price 40K for an empty car ? Just tell me who , show me his invoice and I will be happy. Have a nice day.

Please relax. Take a deep breath. Yes, somebody, perhaps a retailer even, will order a strippy "sh*tbox" no option car as a lease payment/price advertiser, or maybe even a daily driver...

Originally Posted by cntlaw

user 1 : yes, i am coming back here to HUNT YOU DOWN. i think it is time you stop struggling stop your BS, you LOSE already . MY formula doesnt work with your shortage of experience of International car shopping prices, but it was fccking worked for me, and that is it. The price is gonna be fcccking $47K! Tell me who in this forum will buy a 335i luxury for base price 40K for an empty car ? Just tell me who , show me his invoice and I will be happy. Have a nice day.

If I get the car (though I am waiting for the sedan), I'd probably add CA (500$) and Sport package (1000$). Hardly 47K.

I priced out a 335i with Active Steering, Comfort Access and the Premium Package. At full retail it only came to $45k and I can see many people not ordering Active Steering and Comfort Access.

Originally Posted by cntlaw

user 1 : yes, i am coming back here to HUNT YOU DOWN. i think it is time you stop struggling stop your BS, you LOSE already . MY formula doesnt work with your shortage of experience of International car shopping prices, but it was fccking worked for me, and that is it. The price is gonna be fcccking $47K! Tell me who in this forum will buy a 335i luxury for base price 40K for an empty car ? Just tell me who , show me his invoice and I will be happy. Have a nice day.

You're full of **** dude. Why do you think that everyone will get the exact same options as you? Stop trying to cover your wildly inaccurate "guess". I mean, no one was going to point any fingers with "I told you so", but since you started it, the cat's out. You were wrong. Big deal. Many other people were too. Why do you insist on behaving like a 5 year old?

This is what you posted:

UK E92 spec same as our spec. Price can be scaled:
Announced:
E92 325i SE , 2.5L, 218hp, 25.5 kgm , 6.9s, Direct Injection (Piezo),Valvetronic,VANOS.(usd50K)
E92 335i SE , 3.0L, 306hp, 40.8 kgm , 5.5s, Twin Turbo,Valvetronic,VANOS.
(UK price: usd60K; Our price: usd85k)
Coming next:
E92 330i, 3.0L, 272hp, magnesium alloy engine
E92 330d, 3.0L, 231hp, 51 kgm, 6.6s, Disel engine
Conclusion:-
1. 325i 2.5L remains
2. 328i 3.0L Direct Injection (Piezo),Valvetronic,VANOS, only for USA.
3. 330i 3.0L NA remains
4. 335i 3.0L Turbo for E90 unknown
5. E92 335i usa price $47 not yet confirmed.
Ref:-
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/about/new...178607,00.html

So you tell me: what options are standard on the UK's SE edition? And now go price out the US 335 with those same options. Lets see, from the UK site's configurator:

The SE coupe has metallic paint at no extra charge. So thats about $600 in the US. It's got the auto-dim mirror, which is not an ala carte option in the US. It's got automatic A/c which is standard in the US. It's got a radio and a cd player (standard in the US). dynamic cruise (standard in the US). power seats (std in us). extended interior light package (std in us). First aid kit (maybe this is worth $7k?). Front foglamps (std). Multi func steering while (std). Rain sensor (std). Remove control alarm (is this remote entry or an actual alarm?). Smoker package (ashtray?). Sport steering, sport seats, sport suspension (sport package in the US is $1000 on the 335 coupe right?). And xenon is std in the US.

Ok, so the metallic paint and the cimplete sports package. Thats about $1600 roughly. So that takes the US coupe's price to $40600 + 1600 = $42200

And what did you say it was? $47? That's what you said in the quote above, for a car configured equivalent to the UK's SE edition right?

So, where does the SE edition have leather and CA and navigation? Or am I missing something? The only thing I see is that you were off by FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. No one was going to stoop so low to point that out, until you opened your big mouth, saying how you were right after all, because no one buys a base BMW (not true; most BMWs sold in the US are quite basic 325's with automatic and maybe leather).

Since your rhetoric is about on par with that of a 5 year old's, I think I will have to go to the same level: "I told you so, I told you so, Ah ah ah-I told you so!"

The Price Was Gonna Be $47 Everyone! Thats What I Calculated With My Magic International Car Pricing Formula!!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!! Bmw Made Me Look Like A Fccing Fool!

Originally Posted by rprasad

You're full of **** dude. Why do you think that everyone will get the exact same options as you? Stop trying to cover your wildly inaccurate "guess". I mean, no one was going to point any fingers with "I told you so", but since you started it, the cat's out. You were wrong. Big deal. Many other people were too. Why do you insist on behaving like a 5 year old?

This is what you posted:



So you tell me: what options are standard on the UK's SE edition? And now go price out the US 335 with those same options. Lets see, from the UK site's configurator:

The SE coupe has metallic paint at no extra charge. So thats about $600 in the US. It's got the auto-dim mirror, which is not an ala carte option in the US. It's got automatic A/c which is standard in the US. It's got a radio and a cd player (standard in the US). dynamic cruise (standard in the US). power seats (std in us). extended interior light package (std in us). First aid kit (maybe this is worth $7k?). Front foglamps (std). Multi func steering while (std). Rain sensor (std). Remove control alarm (is this remote entry or an actual alarm?). Smoker package (ashtray?). Sport steering, sport seats, sport suspension (sport package in the US is $1000 on the 335 coupe right?). And xenon is std in the US.

Ok, so the metallic paint and the cimplete sports package. Thats about $1600 roughly. So that takes the US coupe's price to $40600 + 1600 = $42200

And what did you say it was? $47? That's what you said in the quote above, for a car configured equivalent to the UK's SE edition right?

So, where does the SE edition have leather and CA and navigation? Or am I missing something? The only thing I see is that you were off by FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. No one was going to stoop so low to point that out, until you opened your big mouth, saying how you were right after all, because no one buys a base BMW (not true; most BMWs sold in the US are quite basic 325's with automatic and maybe leather).

Since your rhetoric is about on par with that of a 5 year old's, I think I will have to go to the same level: "I told you so, I told you so, Ah ah ah-I told you so!"

If 'some' of you did not put words in my mouth in the first place, I could have given a little bit more details of my assumptions and reasons behind my formula. Unfortunately, I have been put off by a bunch of gangsters who think they can get a cheap 335i and the fact is proven , you ain't getting a cheap 335i. Stop pissing your fuzz over me. I am still the winner Iaint need to argue because we gonna see threads that the honorable TRUE E92 owners will tell us how much they pay for their cars.. And.....show me your invoice if you were the one who would live with a 42K 335i. Full Stop.

Originally Posted by cntlaw

If 'some' of you did not put words in my mouth in the first place, I could have given a little bit more details of my assumptions and reasons behind my formula. Unfortunately, I have been put off by a bunch of gangsters who think they can get a cheap 335i and the fact is proven , you ain't getting a cheap 335i. Stop pissing your fuzz over me. I am still the winner Iaint need to argue because we gonna see threads that the honorable TRUE E92 owners will tell us how much they pay for their cars.. And.....show me your invoice if you were the one who would live with a 42K 335i. Full Stop.

Dude, you're embarrassing yourself, give it a rest.