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Old 05-05-2006, 08:43 PM
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She called today to see what he knew in terms of pricing. He told her they did not have prices but expect to have them in 2 weeks.
I wouldn't be surprised if BMW releases them to dealers on June 1st.
I believe that was the same time that E46 Coupe prices were released.
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my 16 year old brother drives a 04 E46

Seriously, if you live in the Bay Area, BMW 3series are like honda civics. Not only 3series, but also the C-class, Lexus ES, G35, TL's..............I know when i was in highschool (class of 2003), i use to see many 3series, fixed up older m3's, E46 1-2 m3's. The "rich" kids, drove the land roover with spinners, and i remember their was a 16 year old driving a 2002 S55 AMG. my point is, theres too many of 3series for them to be "prestiege". These cars do not get the extra attention then lets say the 2006 Civic. If u drive a Ferrai, lambo, or even a corvette/viper (been seeing alot of them lately since summer is basically here), then u can probably get the attention. 3series is almost a laughing matter with prestiege (along with the competitors)

Buy a car for what it is!
Amen. Get a car that you enjoy driving and forget about "prestige."

I'm also in San Francisco, and in a city where a lower-middle class home sells for $750,000, there is no "wow" factor at all in a BMW 3-series or 5-series. If your goal is to impress people or turn heads, you'd need to drive something genuinely exotic like a Ferrari or a Z8 or a Porsche Cayman. The truth is, though, you could probably also turn heads with a $20,000 Pontiac Solstice, so it's more of a matter of driving something unusual and attractive rather than spending a lot of money.
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Old 05-08-2006, 11:13 AM
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Well, while we're on the topic of price speculation, has anyone seen this PDF
with pricing for the German market's E92?

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...chmentid=24306

The 335 starts at 37,241 Euros.
That's over a 16% increase over the German 330 Sedan's base price of 31,896 Euros!
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If 16.75% also applies in US, we'll see 335 coupe starts at $42733 (based on 330 sedan's $36600 base price). It's also $5133 over today's 330 coupe's $37600 base.

Not surprised, but I also won't be surprised if 335 sedan starts around $39-40k. The E46 coupe is basically an E46 sedan will 2 door less and $1k more. BMW has made E92's style further distinguished from E90, so it's reasonable to price them further apart, from $1k to $2-3k.
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16% - that must be some kind of VAT tax

I'm glad we dont have those kinds of taxes in the US.
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Old 05-08-2006, 12:18 PM
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16% - that must be some kind of VAT tax

I'm glad we dont have those kinds of taxes in the US.
The prices I quoted were without the V.A.T.
They are listed both ways on www.bmw.de, as well as in the PDF that
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The coupes always cost more. They added style.
AND the only people in the market for BMW coupes are fairly affluent people so they can make an extra buck off of those people
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AND the only people in the market for BMW coupes are fairly affluent people so they can make an extra buck off of those people
Not true. Many US buyers lease a 325 they can't really afford (coupe or sedan is not relevant). Their debt is excessively high to afford a lifestyle that is beyond their means. These people aren't affluent but they temporarily (5 or 10 years) live like they are affluent and buy MB, BMW, Lexus to compliment their highly mortgaged home. BMW is perceived as a luxury brand in the US and is marketed that way. But the actual buyers of the lower end models such as the 3 series aren't the affluent in the US. Maybe they are the 16 year old kids of the affluent in the US. Most 3 series drivers in the US are 24-36 years old (taken from a poll on one of these forums) and those people aren't affluent if they are driving a 3er at that age.

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Old 06-18-2006, 05:56 AM
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anyone knows the USA base price of the 335i , I might be coming to work in the States for 2 yrs and want to know if I can afford a 335i by then?
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We're still waiting, cntlaw.

BMWNA told us that prices would be released at the end of the month.
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Old 06-20-2006, 08:00 AM
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AND the only people in the market for BMW coupes are fairly affluent people so they can make an extra buck off of those people
True. Or at least since it only has two doors it means that very few buyers are going to want to wrestle with putting baby seats into the back seat.

No baby seats = lots more disposable income!

I was going to buy the sedan or wagon except I realized that since I just bought a coupe for my daughter as a college graduation present -- I don't need to drive a sedan or a wagon any more!
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We're still waiting, cntlaw.

BMWNA told us that prices would be released at the end of the month.
I'm getting a bit concerned. I've heard rumblings from my dealer that standard lease rates for the 335i may be close to the $800 per month range. If that's the case, I'll just spend the extra 100-200 a month and get a 550i.
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I'm getting a bit concerned. I've heard rumblings from my dealer that standard lease rates for the 335i may be close to the $800 per month range. If that's the case, I'll just spend the extra 100-200 a month and get a 550i.
It all comes down to running the lease numbers at the time...MF's can make a huge difference in the payments between models.

36 month 335 leases with no cap reduction, no MSD and acquistion rolled into the cap will be in the $700-$800 range plus tax. An MF of 0.0031 will do this...the current 550 MF is 0.00225 which will make up a bit for the higher MSRP/cap.

Personally a 550 is too big/heavy for what I want...plus the gas mileage is pretty poor...whereas the 335 will offer great power at pretty darn good gas mileage...near 30 on the highway.
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It all comes down to running the lease numbers at the time...MF's can make a huge difference in the payments between models.

36 month 335 leases with no cap reduction, no MSD and acquistion rolled into the cap will be in the $700-$800 range plus tax. An MF of 0.0031 will do this...the current 550 MF is 0.00225 which will make up a bit for the higher MSRP/cap.

Personally a 550 is too big/heavy for what I want...plus the gas mileage is pretty poor...whereas the 335 will offer great power at pretty darn good gas mileage...near 30 on the highway.
also, it is my understanding that dealers can "legally" go .0004 above the "buy" rate. Most, if not all dealers will not lease to you at the "buy" rate.
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also, it is my understanding that dealers can "legally" go .0004 above the "buy" rate. Most, if not all dealers will not lease to you at the "buy" rate.
Yep, you need to negotiate the MF mark up too...I split the difference with my dealer with a 0.0002 markup and acquisition at cost...if I decide to lease.
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Yep, you need to negotiate the MF mark up too...I split the difference with my dealer with a 0.0002 markup and acquisition at cost...if I decide to lease.
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Based on HK price 680,000 , subtracting 20% dealer markup and tax
The US base price of E92 335i should be ~45K
Our 335i price here is 36% more than 330i. (high dealer markup, may be more options comes as standard)
Will NOT be 45K for a 335 in the US. In fact the analysis above validates that the US price will be $40k or under. Cost of living differentials and more competitive market will ensure prices are less than what is being seen in other countries (after you adjust for tax and currency, as the example above did).
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The lease rates are going to be high in the first few months since BMW has no reason to subsidize a lease when the cars will be selling like hot-cakes. They are likely to come down after 4-6 months.
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Will NOT be 45K for a 335 in the US. In fact the analysis above validates that the US price will be $40k or under. Cost of living differentials and more competitive market will ensure prices are less than what is being seen in other countries (after you adjust for tax and currency, as the example above did).

My forumla is very rough though my assumptions was also been hearing rumours about 45K price tag.

Based on today I heard the HK price is 628K which is much lower than the 680K I heard before
Thus, US price of ~40K is now more reasonable.
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Based on today I heard the HK price is 628K which is much lower than the 680K I heard before
Thus, US price of ~40K is now more reasonable.
And people joke about Americans having a US-centric view!

cntlaw, US prices have very little to do with what the price will be in HK. Just because the HK price might be 628K instead of 680K, does not imply that the US price is likely to be 40K USD. The US price inference of ~40K is completley independent of what BMW decides to charge in Hong Kong (modulo the actual manufactering cost).
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And people joke about Americans having a US-centric view!

cntlaw, US prices have very little to do with what the price will be in HK. Just because the HK price might be 628K instead of 680K, does not imply that the US price is likely to be 40K USD. The US price inference of ~40K is completley independent of what BMW decides to charge in Hong Kong (modulo the actual manufactering cost).
Agreed. But why we have official prices earlier than the USA? (And UK has it long ago )
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Not true. Many US buyers lease a 325 they can't really afford (coupe or sedan is not relevant). Their debt is excessively high to afford a lifestyle that is beyond their means. These people aren't affluent but they temporarily (5 or 10 years) live like they are affluent and buy MB, BMW, Lexus to compliment their highly mortgaged home. BMW is perceived as a luxury brand in the US and is marketed that way. But the actual buyers of the lower end models such as the 3 series aren't the affluent in the US. Maybe they are the 16 year old kids of the affluent in the US. Most 3 series drivers in the US are 24-36 years old (taken from a poll on one of these forums) and those people aren't affluent if they are driving a 3er at that age.

I'll have to agree and disagree with you on this post. Your point on many people stretching into a BMW by leasing a lower end model is true. This is evidenced by the statistics of 325 sales vs. 330 sales....it is almost a 4 to 1 ratio I believe. Many people just want that roundel on their hood and don't care that they are getting the smallest engine bimmer with little or no options. However, there are those of us who like the design of the 3-series (especially the e46) and actually chose it over the new 5 or e90. We also put the best options we could into the car and even paid cash, heaven forbid. All this for a car that could actually be considered below our means because we understand that a car is a depreciating asset.
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