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Old 06-08-2006, 01:17 PM
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I will soon be ordering the 325xi. I really want sport package, but I am concerned about the ride quality. I live in the Northeast. I have a fairly long daily commute from CT to NY. The drive is mostly highway, but a good deal of stop and go. Also a good number of the roads around here are pretty harsh. From what I've seen the suspension on the xi does not change with the sport package, so will the 17" 225's give a much harsher ride on rough roads than the 16" 205's.
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:29 PM
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They shouldn't but what is questionable is wether or not the sport package is worth it on the xi. You do get the sport seats... But not the low suspension setting of the non-xi. Basically, you'll have about the same ride height as a non sport non-xi...
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:33 PM
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The sport package on the xi is 17" 225 tires, sport seats, sport steering wheel. Is this work the extra $1000 and will the bigger tires give me a harsher ride?
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:46 PM
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The sport package on the xi is 17" 225 tires, sport seats, sport steering wheel. Is this work the extra $1000 and will the bigger tires give me a harsher ride?
IMO, the sports package is a must.

My 330xi has 17 inch wheels and it rides fine.

I think it's the 18 inch performance tires that give the harsh ride.

The sport seats hug you and add to the driving experience, the sport sterring wheel is fatter and smaller and feel great.

I'm glad I got it and I'm glad it didn't have the 18 inch performance tires.
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I had the Cold, Premium,Sport Package in the 2003 525i and it was nice handing but a little rough, the seats were the best part. One thing to understand and it is not documented in the new xi's. If you are getting an "xi" and you add the sport package, you will get everthing in the spot package but the sport suspention, the xi overrides the sport suspension. I would recommend the sport package so you get the seats that hug you. I have the 330xi 2006 and love it! I would have gotten the Sport package, but I settled on a car on the lot with the Premium and cold packages, the 330 has the sport wheel no matter what package you have.
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...the 330 has the sport wheel no matter what package you have.
That is wrong.

ZSP Sport Package (325)
Includes 8-way manual front sport seats with adjustable backrest width and thigh support, 3-spoke sport steering wheel with audio and accessory phone controls, 17" Star Spoke (style 159) light alloy wheels with 225/45R17 run-flat all season tires. (Deletes spare tire.)

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Includes 8-way power front sport seats with adjustable backrest width and thigh support, 3-spoke sport steering wheel with audio and accessory phone controls, 17" x 8" Star Spoke (style 158) alloy wheels with 225/45R17 run-flat all season tires.

It's smaller and fatter and it has thumb rests.
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If you get the SP then be warned of cracked rims or damaged tires, in NYC area.

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You can't go wrong with or without the Sport package. It is still a great handling car without SP.

The SP adds appearance but little performance gain.

The true sport package is an M3.
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I wouldn't buy it without Sport but that's just my priorities. If the word "ride" factors into your equation then perhaps you should not buy Sport. I consider my e90 Sport ride to be just at the edge of harshness... but I like it there.
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You can't go wrong with or without the Sport package. It is still a great handling car without SP.

The SP adds appearance but little performance gain.

The true sport package is an M3.
I don't agree. First, 225s up front and 255s out back in super sticky summer sport rubber make a gigantic difference. These are the tire widths for the previous M3, which is huge to have on a base model 325i. I pointed out in another thread that the tires included (Bridgestone Potenza RE050) are standard equipment on the 2006 Ferrario Enzo, Superamerica, F430, etc.

Second, the sport suspension lowers the car about 1.5" and significantly lowers the center of gravity.

Aside from a limited slip differential and a strut tower bar...and an extra 200hp, I consider this the full M treatment.

As for the OP, I will make fun of you a lot for not getting the sport package but I think you're going to get it.
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:21 PM
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I don't agree. First, 225s up front and 255s out back in super sticky summer sport rubber make a gigantic difference. These are the tire widths for the previous M3, which is huge to have on a base model 325i. I pointed out in another thread that the tires included (Bridgestone Potenza RE050) are standard equipment on the 2006 Ferrario Enzo, Superamerica, F430, etc.

Second, the sport suspension lowers the car about 1.5" and significantly lowers the center of gravity.

Aside from a limited slip differential and a strut tower bar...and an extra 200hp, I consider this the full M treatment.
Your right, $1600 is going to convert the car to some awesome performance cruiser. I get the sport package every time, but it ain't all that. I think most folks aim for appearance.
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:35 PM
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I personally think the SP is overrated and unnecessary.
I had the SP on my 03 E46 wagon and the seats and ride became unbearable(seats especially).

Now I have a standard E90 and love the ride and seats.

BTW,don't forget you have to get new tires for the winter with the SP.
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Your right, $1600 is going to convert the car to some awesome performance cruiser. I get the sport package every time, but it ain't all that. I think most folks aim for appearance.
OK, at what point does tire size and compound affect performance in your book? Do you think the car would handle the same on 185/60 all season 60,000 mile tires on 15" steel wheels? I think you're taking tires for granted which is a big mistake on this board.
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:40 PM
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OK, at what point does tire size and compound affect performance in your book? Do you think the car would handle the same on 185/60 all season 60,000 mile tires on 15" steel wheels? I think you're taking tires for granted which is a big mistake on this board.
I agree tires can improve performance. The OP was referring to SP. Tires can be put on any car regardless of SP, and thus my point, if he wants to change tires later he can because that is where 95% of the handling changes will be.
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BTW,don't forget you have to get new tires for the winter with the SP.
BTW,don't forget you have to get premium gas for the engine with the BMW.

BTW,don't forget you have to get $3,000 maintenance extension with 50,000 mile rollover which is 3 years for most people.

I'm having trouble understanding your priorities. Owning a performance car has implicit maintenance costs; if minimizing the latter rather than maximizing the former is your goal, then BMW is probably not for you. Check out the Scion Tc.

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Old 06-08-2006, 06:11 PM
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BTW,don't forget you have to get premium gas for the engine with the BMW.

BTW,don't forget you have to get $3,000 maintenance extension with 50,000 mile rollover which is 3 years for most people.

I'm having trouble understanding your priorities. Owning a performance car has implicit maintenance costs; if minimizing the latter rather than maximizing the former is your goal, then BMW is probably not for you. Check out the Scion Tc.

What the hell are you talking about ?
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:12 PM
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I will soon be ordering the 325xi. I really want sport package, but I am concerned about the ride quality. I live in the Northeast. I have a fairly long daily commute from CT to NY. The drive is mostly highway, but a good deal of stop and go. Also a good number of the roads around here are pretty harsh. From what I've seen the suspension on the xi does not change with the sport package, so will the 17" 225's give a much harsher ride on rough roads than the 16" 205's.
I just got the 325xiT with sport and am really glad I did. Great handling, great seats and not as harsh as my 325i w/sport. One of the benefits as hinted at above is that the sport on the 325xi includes all season tires (the 17inchers from the 330i are the wheels used on the xi sport) where as the sport on a 325i are summer tires and need to be replaced with winter tires in your neighborood.
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BTW,don't forget you have to get premium gas for the engine with the BMW.

BTW,don't forget you have to get $3,000 maintenance extension with 50,000 mile rollover which is 3 years for most people.

I'm having trouble understanding your priorities. Owning a performance car has implicit maintenance costs; if minimizing the latter rather than maximizing the former is your goal, then BMW is probably not for you. Check out the Scion Tc.

What are are you talking about. My concern is the road conditions that I drive on. I was trying to find out peoples opinion on whether the sport package would make the ride to harsh. That is it. If that is the case why would I spend the extra $$ for something that would decrease my enjoyment of the car. None of what I was asking had anything to do with maintanance costs. My priorities if you must know is to get a great car that I will enjoy driving everyday. I am merely trying to decide what configuration would maximize my enjoyment. But thanks for you concern about my gas cost.?

For everyone else thanks for you input. I am test driving the car tomorrow and hopefully they will have one with and w/o a sport package so I can feel if there is much difference.
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Dave,

Good luck with the test drive on Friday...

-In regard to your question...

-Since you are getting the xi then the susp. or the wider rear tires do not come into play....
-The only Diff between the regular 325xi and 325xi w. Sport. pkg will be the seats and wheel. are those items worth spending an extra 1k. Thats a question that only you can answer....when you go in for the test drive sit in both seats....I pers. love the Sport Pkg. seats they allow you to prolong the seat for your legs and squeez you in (width adjustment), Plus I love the smaller fatter steering wheel...it just feels better....

back to your question - the ride will not change weather or not you go with the Sport pkg. (seats and wheel only)

-make sure you try out all of the adjustments of the seat and youll see what I mean....please keep us posted....
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I personally think the SP is overrated and unnecessary.
I had the SP on my 03 E46 wagon and the seats and ride became unbearable(seats especially).

Now I have a standard E90 and love the ride and seats.

BTW,don't forget you have to get new tires for the winter with the SP.

Sure about that? The ZSP on the 325xi gives you ALL SEASON run flats. That includes winter, unless of course you want snow tires.

I ordered ZSP on my 325xi for the wheels and seats mainly. 1 inch makes a difference in my book. 16s remind me of my Neon. Heck, I'd go for the sexy 19s if it were more practical. The steering wheel is a bonus!
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BTW,don't forget you have to get premium gas for the engine with the BMW.

BTW,don't forget you have to get $3,000 maintenance extension with 50,000 mile rollover which is 3 years for most people.
I was making fun of your cost conciousness on the most important option on the damn car - it was satire. Arguably the only option that improves vehicle dynamics. Everything else is fluff or icing.

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on the XI the suspension's not even different

no effect on ride quality with sport pack on the XI, but you do get better seats
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I don't agree. First, 225s up front and 255s out back in super sticky summer sport rubber make a gigantic difference. These are the tire widths for the previous M3, which is huge to have on a base model 325i. I pointed out in another thread that the tires included (Bridgestone Potenza RE050) are standard equipment on the 2006 Ferrario Enzo, Superamerica, F430, etc.
Bigger tires slow you down...

They put 225/255 on SP for appearance and safety reason so people like you don't crash from oversteer. 325 handles best with 225 all around. Go ask any racer, square setup is always better than stagger..
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