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BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 03-29-2007, 02:35 PM
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But if I purchase and install it myself, does that affect my warranty?
I wouldn't imagine that it would void the warranty. If you're in doubt, you could pretty easily remove the interface before going in for service, and no one would be the wiser. The process is a lot easer once you've already done it (and know where everything is).

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Did you have the CD changer before you added the adapter? Could you add a few pictures so that I can see how it looks after a successful installation? I know that I'm asking a lot. Thanks for any information that you can share.
I did have the CD changer, which from what I've read, makes it easier. My installation pretty much looks exactly like those from these DIY instructions linked to earlier on this thread by Stream...

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...70&postcount=1

If there is any other view not covered, let me know and I'll post a pic. It has been mentioned on this board that there is a cover plate for the hole, but I haven't gotten it yet. Come to think of it, if you don't have the CD changer, you might already have the cover plate. :dunnno:
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Old 03-30-2007, 03:30 PM
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Come to think of it, if you don't have the CD changer, you might already have the cover plate. :dunnno:
Yes - when my dealer did the install, I pointed the hole out to them and my SA swiped a cover plate from another car on the lot that had no CD . So as long as that was NOT your car ... you should still have one.
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My 650i VERT (build 11/06) was not pre-wired for a changer. This was verified visually and by inspecting the VIN with BMW's online tools.

So I purchased iPod interface MOST with harness (BMW Part #: 65 11 0 403 650).

If you aren't pre-wired for a changer (or have a changer installed); this install is NOT for the faint of hart. It requires removal & re-install of the following: glovebox, hazard warning switch, center fresh-air grill, center trim instrument panel, bottom right instrument panel trim, and most of all the CCC or ASK computer & its wiring harness.

Its not impossible, but I would highly suggest you have torx bits, small jewelers screwdrivers (as you will be removing specific wires, PINS, and fiber optic cables from wiring harnesses), and patience !

If you're going to tackle this yourself, you will need the install instructions for the interface and I would also suggest the TIS instructions for removal / re-install of the interior pieces you will be removing (so you know how many screws and where they are).

Here's the worst part .. after the install (several hours) .. NO AUDIO and NO SAT (its greyed out in the menu), and SOS Malfunction. I double checked the install, and its right. In fact, iDrive even re-booted once already.

My guess is these problems stem from the fact the retrofit coding hasn't been completed. Now I get to argue with the dealer, to complete this under warranty (which should prove to be fun).

If I had to do it all over .. let the dealer do the work, as you're going to end up back there anyhow.
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Old 04-07-2007, 09:12 AM
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To any of the BMWNA representatives:

Why would BMW of Bellevue WA (877-411-6940) charge for 4 hours of labor (standard) when the bulletin generally suggests less than 1 hour of labor and for the service person to call if they are having difficulty after 30 minutes. That amounts to about $450 for labor in addition to the equipment being installled. It seems as though the majority of people that have posted that they had BMW install the adapter paid slightly more than that amount for labor and materials.

BMW of Bellevue is claiming that they have to charge for the software update as well. Is this what BMW and BMW of BMWNA wants?
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Old 04-22-2007, 05:06 AM
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In Greece BMW charges 500 euros for the connection of the ipod


And 150 euros for oil and filter change.
Retrofiting a Navi costs 5000 euros !!!!!!!!!!!!

IS THERE A RESONABLE SOLUTION? OR FORGET IT!!!!
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:10 AM
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Question Problem (?) with 2008 5-series USB iPod integration

I received my new 528xi last Saturday, 4/21, and have been wading through all the options. (Man, there are a lot of options on the iDrive.) I have been trying to use the new integrated USB-based iPod adapter but am either having a problem or are doing something wrong. First, let me say I am typing this from memory and am not sitting in the car so I may have some of the menus slightly wrong.

The manual (p186) says to connect the iPod to BOTH the USB and the mini-aux in; I don't believe that is correct so I am using just the USB. When I do that, I get a bunch of menus that includes Directory, iTunes, Photos, etc. It actually looks like the directory structure of the iPod's disk drive. By hunting around, I can get to one line that has "Songs", "Playlist", "Genre", "Artist" - just as you would hope. However, none of those work. Highlighting and picking Playlist (or any of the others) does nothing. Elsewhere in the menu structure, I can get to a list F1, F2, F3, F4, etc. Under each of these are meaningless 5 letter names that correspond to each song. For example, AEKGR might represent a Beethoven symphony while the next entry, AEKMY, might be a podcast of a talk show. They play beautifully, but the names are useless to find a track.

I also don't see any start/stop options.

I wondered if it might be because I have a rather full 80 GB iPod, with 11005 songs, and maybe it would take a while to load the directory. I gave up after 30 minutes or so.

I realize ths option has been out for less than a week, but does anyone have any ideas? I could just use the aux in and the iPod controls, but that wasn't what I hoped for.

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Old 04-24-2007, 08:51 AM
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The manual (p186) says to connect the iPod to BOTH the USB and the mini-aux in; I don't believe that is correct so I am using just the USB.
Everything I've read about the factory installed iPod/USB interface said you need to connect the iPod with both the USB and mini-stereo cables, which is provided as part of the kit. Have you tried connecting both and seeing how it works?
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:02 AM
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Supplied kit?

Was I supposed to get a cable with the option! Maybe that is the problem! I didn't get one with the car and am using my regular iPod cable. I'll have to ask the dealer.

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Old 04-24-2007, 09:17 AM
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Was I supposed to get a cable with the option! Maybe that is the problem! I didn't get one with the car and am using my regular iPod cable. I'll have to ask the dealer.

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Old 04-24-2007, 10:37 AM
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Amazing!

This forum is amazingly useful! I post a question and within an hour have not only an answer but the supporting documentation, as well.

Thanks very much,
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Old 04-27-2007, 07:10 AM
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Random mode?

I got the iPOD adapter installed. Can someone tell me how to set it to play ALL the songs on my iPod in random (shuffle) mode? I tried going to CD6 ("all tracks") and selecting Random All and Random Directory, but it still plays the songs in sequential order.

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Old 04-27-2007, 07:43 AM
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I got the iPOD adapter installed. Can someone tell me how to set it to play ALL the songs on my iPod in random (shuffle) mode? I tried going to CD6 ("all tracks") and selecting Random All and Random Directory, but it still plays the songs in sequential order.

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Look at this thread about iPod firmware. It may help.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=iPod+firmware
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Old 04-28-2007, 05:33 AM
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Retrofit for early 2004 E60

I have a 2004 E60 with no Navigation and no CD Changer.

Will my vehicle play mp3's in the in-dash CD player if I have the retrofit done?

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Old 04-28-2007, 10:16 AM
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Look at this thread about iPod firmware. It may help.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=iPod+firmware
I just had the iPod integration installed and have since discovered that there are the following limitations which I did not see mentioned in the above linked thread. With Nav you can only see the first 255 artist in alphabetical order by first name or the first 1000 song titles in alphabetical order by artists. Thus if you are in MP3 6 and select 'random all' you are only going to get random play for these first 1000 songs. Without Nav you only see the first 500 song titles. I am bummed that the $450 iPod integration cannot handle a true shuffle play across the entire list of songs contained on the iPod. I assume this is a limitation of the BMW's hard drive space which seems absurd based on how ridiculously cheap disk space is. Can this rather significant limitation be fixed?? Oh well, I guess I will have to get creative with my playlist. Even with this limitation the integration still makes the 6 CD changer obsolete.

BTW, is the purpose of the 'random directory' feature to randomly select artists(MP3 2)/albums (MP3 3) after all songs from a given artist/album are played? If this is the case, which it appears to be, I do not see this as very useful.
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Old 05-02-2007, 10:40 AM
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Referring back to my question regarding the need to use a special cable, the dealer provided the cable yesterday and it now works beautifully! The only thing I had to do was create a Playlist that pointed to the podcast list. Without that Playlist, I couldn't find a way to see my podcasts but with the lPlayist, it works fine.

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Old 05-02-2007, 03:47 PM
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I assume this is a limitation of the BMW's hard drive space
I don't think there's any hard drive in the car. I think the reason for that has been explained on here before, but it could be hard to find as big as this topic has grown.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:56 AM
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Update on early model E60's -- The iPod adapter will apparently work on cars built 09/03 or after. You will need the mp3 retrofit and will need to have Progman updated, as well as the iDrive programmed for the iPod adapter.

It is not clear whether or not you must have NAV for this to work -- if you don't have NAV, you should still ask your dealer to give it a try.

Hope this is good news for some -- my build date was 08/03, so it's a bummer for me!
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Old 05-04-2007, 10:42 AM
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You do not need Nav but I have heard that if you do not have the 6 disc changer or at least wired for one the installation charge is significantly higher. I know the iDrive has to be programmed but not sure about the Progman needing to be updated. If it does I certainly did not get the most recent version as my 'boot up' time is at least 2-3 minutes.
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iPod Installation in Bay Area

Anyone know of a place to get the iPod auxiliary input installed on my 04 545i in the San Francisco Bay Area ?

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Old 05-05-2007, 05:53 PM
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I'm not sure the sound quality is as good through the auxiliary input.
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A couple of semi-related questions when using the MOST:

1) Is there a way to set up the iPod where the MOST recognizes just one "Artist" entry? As an example, when I access "Artists", I sometimes see multiple Bob Dylan's. On other artists, I only see one entry. Also with that, it shows songs in multiple albums all lumped together with no reference as to which album. Arrrgh!

2) Somewhere I saw a reference to using a program that adjusts the output level of of the entire library to provide a more even sound level. Has anyone had success with that and what did you use?
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:36 AM
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A couple of semi-related questions when using the MOST:

1) Is there a way to set up the iPod where the MOST recognizes just one "Artist" entry? As an example, when I access "Artists", I sometimes see multiple Bob Dylan's. On other artists, I only see one entry. Also with that, it shows songs in multiple albums all lumped together with no reference as to which album. Arrrgh!

This most likely is caused by how certain artist names are stored in your iPod. Check the multiple Bob Dylans--they're probably each spelled slightly different, so the iPod (& iTunes) lists them as separate artists. You'll need to correct this in iTunes.

For the songs with no albums referenced, again, it's likely an issue with the track information in iTunes--probably no album info.


2) Somewhere I saw a reference to using a program that adjusts the output level of of the entire library to provide a more even sound level. Has anyone had success with that and what did you use?

I use MP3Gain, which is a great volume normalization program (be sure to turn off sound check, which is Apple's sound normalization feature, in iTunes & the iPod after using MP3Gain):
http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/

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Old 05-12-2007, 08:00 PM
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Here are some photos of the install of the Auxiliary Input device. The iPod integration would not work in my early 2004 530i, so this is the best I could do. It sounds pretty good -- with special thanks to Stream for posting the part about removing the transistors/capacitors on the cable. I did get a boost in volume and bass, which translates into better sound.

When I had it installed, I told the dealer to run the cable out just above the storage "web" on the passenger side. I then used a special dock connector cable I found through Price Grabber: Product Name: Cables To Go iPod Dock Connector to 3.5mm Cable: Product Detail: Part number: 35508. It cost about $18 (including shipping). This will NOT charge the iPod. There is another dock connector cable that charges that I am going to order when I have time to do the install.

The cable is hidden in the storage "web" by a black piece of plastic (kinda ghetto, I know!) But I'll find a solution for that in the near future. Since the car interior is black, you really don't notice it.

I bought a universal bracket from Bracketron (MVM-15-05) and covered it with electrical tape (to prevent damage to the console) and I slid into a gap between the console and the dash (no screws or adhesives necessary). The iPod attaches to the bracket via velcro.

The good news is I have an iPod, good sound and full access to all the iPod controls. Bad news is that it is not integrated into the iDrive.



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Old 05-14-2007, 10:11 AM
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I am not sure, but if I understand the new USB based iPod integration correctly, this part may be useful: http://www.sik.com/imp.php

Basically, it lets you plug into the bottom of the iPod, and gives you 2 inputs...a USB/Power option, and a line out (not amplified....)

I am having the iDrive based integration installed this week, and am looking forward to it. I have the DICE solution in the X5, and not having to touch the iPod while driving is the way to go.

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