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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 08-24-2006, 09:49 PM
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special tool for rear ball joint removal

Anybody have source for this tool under $180??


Any suggestions on how the rear ball joint can be removed without this tool?

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Old 08-25-2006, 07:34 AM
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You can almost always get them out by hitting the part the balljoint goes into with a hammer. In your case you would be hitting the wheel carrier most likely on the top. Sounds kinda weird to not to hit the ball joint but instead the part it is in but it does work. The shock is enough to break it free. I've never had a problem on my car or on my friends 68 project truck and God only knows how long his balljoints were in.
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zdmak (at $190) was even more then the other source i found on ebay for $170.

i can understand using a hammer to get the old one out, but how does that help put the new one in!

i was looking more for "i'm in NJ and can let you borrow mine" ... anybody ?? how about a group rental buy

considering my x5 has the same ball joints as my 540 I guess buying the tool for $180 is better then paying for labor x4 wheels.
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Old 08-28-2006, 09:18 PM
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I got a quote from Circle BMW on the toolset and they wanted $198.00

I just put an order in with www.technictool.com they agreed to sell BMW334-190 for $140 + shipping. I assume they are knock-offs since the dealership was unable to discount from list... fine with me.
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just to give you a heads up on the tool. i got a different one then hotswimmer (randy).

This is the one i got:




if you notice the one in the writeup, the bolt is in the middle of the two pieces. mine is on the bottom. for me to get mine to work, i had to turn the steering wheel a bit to get the right angle in there. it also helped i have a 4 lbs shorty studge hammer to "tap" (i use that word liberally) it in there AFTER i pealed the rubber boot on the bottom of the ball joint DOWN so the FORK would wedge itself in there.

worked like a charm and scared the piss out of my friend... actually, we were doing this on this car. i'm just going to do the bushing part.
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Anybody have source for this tool under $180??


Any suggestions on how the rear ball joint can be removed without this tool?

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i just got mine from zdmak, everything came out fine. I'll sell it to u for $170
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The tool I am referring to is for the rear axle ball joint or part number 33321095631.

This is a great guide on this job (albeit done on a 740 but very very similar on a 540)

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/50230

Looks like I've already taken the plunge for $140 so if you ever decide to replace your rear ball joints let me know and we can work something out...
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Sorry, I missunderstood what part it was that you were trying to remove. The balljoint press that they rent for free at places like Auto zone might work for this application. It is hard not to give it a shot considering the price.
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The tool I am referring to is for the rear axle ball joint or part number 33321095631.

This is a great guide on this job (albeit done on a 740 but very very similar on a 540)

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/50230

Looks like I've already taken the plunge for $140 so if you ever decide to replace your rear ball joints let me know and we can work something out...
that's for the rear ball joints??? looks like a bushing remover thing.
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These pics are from that 7 series link and show the tool in action to remove the ball joint.

I was gonna try a rental press, but I figure with 4 ball joints (540+X5) to replace I can eat the cost of the tool.....
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These pics are from that 7 series link and show the tool in action to remove the ball joint.

I was gonna try a rental press, but I figure with 4 ball joints (540+X5) to replace I can eat the cost of the tool.....
so you did your rear ball joints already? i might want to do that before the winter. hum... how hard was it? how long did it take you?
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so you did your rear ball joints already? i might want to do that before the winter. hum... how hard was it? how long did it take you?
haven't started it yet. I got the ball joints but I won't have the tool until probably mid week next week.
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haven't started it yet. I got the ball joints but I won't have the tool until probably mid week next week.
want to do a tech day at your place? i'll bring my front ball joint remover and rear ball joints and i'll do your front thrust arm and you help me with my rear ball joint? i need to get the bushing remover. i went to home depot to see if i can fab one up but they didn't have everything i was looking for.
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Well... I recieved the tool but for the life of me I cannot figure out how it works.

My bentley, the instructions that came with the tool and instructions I have found online simply say "assemble" the tool... but I do not see how I would assemble the tool so that the remover pushes the joint into the cup for removal and vice versa with the installer for re-install.

If anybody has used this tool can you describe how you assembled the pieces to get it to work for R&R -- My tool has 2 bolts but all the pictures I see only seem to show 1 bolt -- where is the second bolt?

This is my last hurdle preventing the completion of my suspension overhaul... Any help would be appreciated.

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Well... I recieved the tool but for the life of me I cannot figure out how it works.

My bentley, the instructions that came with the tool and instructions I have found online simply say "assemble" the tool... but I do not see how I would assemble the tool so that the remover pushes the joint into the cup for removal and vice versa with the installer for re-install.

If anybody has used this tool can you describe how you assembled the pieces to get it to work for R&R -- My tool has 2 bolts but all the pictures I see only seem to show 1 bolt -- where is the second bolt?

This is my last hurdle preventing the completion of my suspension overhaul... Any help would be appreciated.

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post a picture of your tool please.
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post a picture of your tool please.




Lets keep this clean or move it to offtopic...
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I did post pictures already... post #8 shows the tool unassembled and post #11, first picture, shows the tool assembled for removal of the joint.

I think I may have figured it out (or at least i've come up with another idea).

My theory is that my second nut/washer on tool 33 goes inside tool 93 and it's this nut/washer that actual makes contact with the ball joint and pulls the joint into tool 91. I kept on trying to thread tool 33 through tool 93 but it doesn't appear this is the case, tool 93 just keeps the joint from "mushrooming" on the way out.



Always a fun thread when you can shows pictures of your tool and talk about pulling on some joints.
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this thread is going WAY the f' off course!! thanks to ZM!!


ok, so you're doing the REAR ball joints... thought you were doing the fronts.
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Yes... REAR BALL JOINTS I've finished the fronts at this point...


Can anybody help??
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it's like a dumbbell with 2 cups. the small cup presses against the bushing while the big cup on the other end "catches" the bushing as it comes out. as you turn the bolt, it should bring one end with the nut and plate toward the head of the bolt. it's threaded thin so you can do it with less effort and comes out easier.

what part are you having problems with?
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it's like a dumbbell with 2 cups. the small cup presses against the bushing while the big cup on the other end "catches" the bushing as it comes out. as you turn the bolt, it should bring one end with the nut and plate toward the head of the bolt. it's threaded thin so you can do it with less effort and comes out easier.

what part are you having problems with?

The two cups I get....

What I am left with is a long bolt with 2 washer/nuts pairs. Where do I put the two washer/nuts on the bolt in relation to the two cups?

Every picture I've seen of this job has shown no nut behind the "remover" cup ... but my only assumption is that the bolt threads through the BJ, through the remover cup and then the 2nd nut/washer goes after the remover. Which nut turns????? Does the remove cup go through the wheel carrier with the BJ?

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Where is Hunterdon County? I'm getting ready to do the ball joints on my 540i. Did you figure it out? I'll look back at the pix, but in general, there should be something to retain the bolt/nut on each of the cups to either squeeze the joint out, or press it in.

Make sure you lube the bolt so it does not get hot and strip the threads.

I'm in Maryland - Annapolis area.

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can you make it to Rahway Friday night? if so, bring the tool and the ball joint. i'll help you out. hell, can i use it to do mine too??
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