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Old 12-01-2002, 04:33 PM
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I agree, my car does look better than yours!

Any word on the Yellow belts?
Will work on yellow belts after LSAT next Saturday.

Your car looks better than mine, but it's not a better car. Yours would be better than mine if you had ordered OBC however.

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Old 12-01-2002, 05:20 PM
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I think your car is better looking than mine. I think Z3Cs look nicer than MCs in general.

I am p/ssed.



Maybe I should buy a set of Z3 gills.
And the mirrors too. I purchased mine from BMW in body color which saved the hassle of having them painted.
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Old 12-01-2002, 06:11 PM
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Will work on yellow belts after LSAT next Saturday.
Holy Jesus Christ Jon....haven't you had enough freaking school?
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Old 12-01-2002, 07:27 PM
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Holy Jesus Christ Jon....haven't you had enough freaking school?
Evidently not. I've had enough school but not enough learning. If Boeing is willing to shell out another $90K for 3 years of education on me, I'm gonna take it.
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Old 12-01-2002, 09:40 PM
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Excellent write-up! I wish I had this kind of documentation when I was doing my installation. It was all pretty straight-forward and I was able to figure it out with the exchange of a few emails (mario?), but having these kind of pictures would've made the job easier.

I'd love to compare the ride/handling of the HR/Bilstien setup against the GC/Koni package. For the condition of the roads that I regularly drive, a bit more suppleness in the coils would be nice... the combination of stiff sidewalled Kumho ECSTA 712's + GC shock-mounts + non-progressive coils adds up. On average roads, the ride is super, handling is great... on rough roads the ride tends to be on the rough side.

Regarding the strut tool... I came across something very close at Autozone. It was a socket with an offset tab at the top... that tab had a 3/8" square-hole for a socket drivers. The top of the socket was open allowing you to get in another socket or allen wrench. Unfortunately, the outer socket was not the correct size. I believe this was a strut tool for a Chevy... not certain though.

The brute-force method Andy used is pretty common though.

Ron: I had noticed the Z3 mirrors on your M-Coupe in a few pictures... I've always liked the M-Coupe mirrors better for some reason. You prefer the aesthetics of the Z3 mirrors?
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Old 12-01-2002, 10:30 PM
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roads the ride tends to be on the rough side.

Ron: I had noticed the Z3 mirrors on your M-Coupe in a few pictures... I've always liked the M-Coupe mirrors better for some reason. You prefer the aesthetics of the Z3 mirrors?
Yes. They are also functional as mirrors.
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Old 12-02-2002, 01:22 AM
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Hey Andy
Good write-up. I did that same thing a while back,(sorta,Eibach) and it made a world of differance in handling. I added the Eibach bars front and rear also. It was a fun project, and worth it!!
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Old 12-02-2002, 01:01 PM
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Dave, The M mirrors look better on the coupe but do not do much of anything else. I used to be anti-Z3 mirrors and was positive I would switch to the M ones simply for aesthetic reasons (I think they better suit the coupe's looks) until I spent 2 weeks with Jon's M coupe. I had a very hard time seeing much of anything out of the side mirrors (even with the Convex mirrors). While a bit big and bulky, the Z3 mirrors are better.

Steve, I thought about doing sway bars at the same time but am going to hold off. I don't track my car (yet) or autocross so I am not in a huge rush to change them out. I am going to try to get around to a driving school or two next spring/summer and will decide then if it is something I need to change.
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Old 12-02-2002, 02:26 PM
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If the sway bars are upgraded I recommend the Dinan Rear sway bar mount Kit. This is a set of metal plates to beef up the mount area. The heavy sway bars cause the stock mounts to crack. The plates require welding.
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Andy, Did you install the camber correction plates??? What are your feelings after all this time if you did not add them, any ill affects???
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Old 05-09-2006, 06:38 PM
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Hi,

I assume we're talking about front camber?

I drove the car from Nov 2001 until just recently without camber plates (stock strut mounts). Even with the car set fairly low, I didn't have any issues with abnormal (front) tire wear. It might be noted that I'm running shortened struts, so geometry may be less affected in my case.

I recently upgraded to the GC "hybrid" camber-caster plates. I dialed in as much caster as I could get, and about 2/3" the camber travel... sorry, don't have any real numbers. The additional caster didn't have as much impact on steering effort as I would've thought, and I really like the feel overall.

The additional negative camber is not so much that I'd bother returning the car to a stock setting between track-days ... even though it's fairly trivial. The car right now is extremely well balanced, and an absolute joy to drive on the track.
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Great write up Andy. My biggest problem was the 18 MM bolts holding the front struts. The locktite was hard to break but all the work was well worth it and my car rides much better. Thanks.
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Old 06-17-2011, 04:27 PM
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This is the single most linked writeup I have ever referenced.
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Awesome writeup…. I used it today! Yay for new-ish suspension!
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:09 PM
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Camber Adjustment

Andy,
Thanks for documenting this upgrade. I have ordered the parts and are waiting for them to get here for my '97 Z-3. You mentioned the Ferrari shop wouldn't do the job without adding a camber kit. You didn't mentioning adding one, but it was recommended to me to add one for the rear. What are your feelings on this? Is it necessary? Mine is already squatting a little bit before the upgrade.

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Old 08-04-2013, 12:02 PM
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Ron Stygar's rear shock mounts

You suggest preplacing with stygars rear shock mounts but where the heck do you find them for a z3? I like the future ease of changing the shocks with the under body bolts but does theses mounts solve the weak panel issue and strengthen the mount area? What about the rubber push threw? I read and seen pictures of original BMW shocks pushing threw the rubber. Thanks
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:37 PM
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Rogue Engineering, among others, makes a similar shock mount - http://www.rogueengineering.com/mm5/...&Category_Code and http://store.bimmerworld.com/rogue-e...unts-p747.aspx

I don't know if Ron is still in the RSM business. Just one of his many pioneering ideas.

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Old 08-04-2013, 01:12 PM
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Thanks,

I found Rogue also today.

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