Montoya and NASCAR***SPOILER***

Originally Posted by dwette

I do not have interest in NASCAR per say. I find it very boring. This particular race was different and roused my curiosity. It was a road race outside the US with some heavy hitters from the road racing arena (Montoya, Pruett, Said). The only thing NASCAR about it was the big lumbering cars that could barely corner (compared to sports and open wheel cars), and the other drivers.

With that said, it will most likely be the first and last complete NASCAR race I watch. Previously, I tried watching NASCAR oval races twice (Busch series televised at my home track -- GIR -- and the recent Daytona 500). I found both to be very boring, and stopped watching within a half hour.

But I take your point and will leave the remaining discussion to the rest of you.

They are not as lumbering as one might think. A very good suspension, on slicks, with 7-800 hp and weighing a lot less than your daily driver.

But they can not be compared to open wheeled cars at 1/3 to 1/4 of the weight with independent suspensions and aero advantages.

Originally Posted by franka

They are not as lumbering as one might think. A very good suspension, on slicks, with 7-800 hp and weighing a lot less than your daily driver.

But they can not be compared to open wheeled cars at 1/3 to 1/4 of the weight with independent suspensions and aero advantages.

I did say compared to sports/open-wheel cars. I made the comparison because they run on the same track, and they have a different line because they can't corner as well.

They weight less than my daily driver? No, not really. NASCAR mandates they weight 3400-3600 pounds with driver and safety equipment. My car is under 3500 lbs. with me in it.

Does anyone know what happened to JPM such that he dropped out of contention early in the LV race? (Admittedly I'm not particularly familiar with NASCAR news sources.)

Originally Posted by berford

Does anyone know what happened to JPM such that he dropped out of contention early in the LV race? (Admittedly I'm not particularly familiar with NASCAR news sources.)

Something about a little fender damage...maybe grill area? Once you mess up the aero on theese cars on the faster ovals, you are pretty much done with competing for the win. I think he got a lap down and it pretty much snowballed from there.

My man looks like he fits right in: http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/photo..._pm&prov=getty

..as comfortable in Darlington as in Monaco.

Originally Posted by berford

My man looks like he fits right in: http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/photo..._pm&prov=getty

..as comfortable in Darlington as in Monaco.

His wife says she likes living in the big RV's instead of going hotel to hotel. I'm waiting for JPM to start talking like Ward Burton or Elliott Sadler.

Originally Posted by Robsa

His wife says she likes living in the big RV's instead of going hotel to hotel. I'm waiting for JPM to start talking like Ward Burton or Elliott Sadler.

Those big RVs often cost more than a typical southern CA house and are decked out better than any hotel room outside Dubai.

Can you believe it...5th place in Atlanta. Looks like the man is acclimated.

Decent finish again today: 8th place, and currently 13th in the points. Rookie of the Year definitely, and probably make the Chase.

Originally Posted by cwsqbm

Decent finish again today: 8th place, and currently 13th in the points. Rookie of the Year definitely, and probably make the Chase.

Yup, movin' up.

Stewart hits back at Montoya

By Diego Mejia Monday, April 16th 2007, 11:13 GMT


Tony Stewart has hit back at Juan Pablo Montoya after their incident during Sunday's Samsung 500 at Texas Motor Speedway.

Montoya blamed Stewart for their collision on lap 240 while they were battling for eighth place, saying the two-time Cup champion raced him aggressively and did not give him enough room.

However, Stewart believes the same of Montoya and blamed the Colombian for the incident.

"If you do stuff like that and try to race people before you get to the start/finish line - then when I raced him, I raced him. And he took us out. That's just what happened," Stewart said.

"I'm going to race people how they race me. You earn respect by doing things that are smart out there, and trying to pull out of line with 110 laps to go coming to the green flag doesn't make much sense. If you race people with respect you get respect."

Stewart also claimed that Montoya did not show any patience while racing him, stating that he must learn more about how to race in NASCAR. He also warned the former Formula One driver about not getting any help from him in the future.

"Maybe Ganassi doesn't pay him to run in the back, but you might want to be just a little bit more patient just long enough to learn everything and how everything's done over here," Stewart added.

"He didn't make friends with me today so he won't get any help from me in the future."

Stewart's race went from bad to worse after the incident with Montoya, having a flat tyre after contact with Joe Nemechek and a later spin on turn 4 while trying to get back on the lead lap.

"We fought a no-handling car all day and fought it good enough to keep it in the top-10. But the deal with Montoya, the flat tyre and... it all just added up to a bad day," Stewart said.

Despite his 25th place finish on Sunday, Tony Stewart is currently ninth in the Nextel Cup standings, 322 points behind leader Jeff Gordon.

JPM did nothing that Steward does not do in nearly every race. JPM was clearly faster at the time and they battled for 3 or 4 laps before they touched. If Stewart lived by the advice he gives in the interview he would have let JPM by, make some adjustments to the car on the next pit stop and race JPM or whomever at the end of the race.

I watch inside Nextel Cup Monday and everyone on the show was impressed by how well JPM has done so far this season and that they do not want to see how much he improves when they return to the tracks that have mulitple races. Then there are the road races.....

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Big deal

Originally Posted by franka

Big deal

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Originally Posted by dwette

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Perhaps we need to fine Patrick for the same thing...Nah.

Patrick is hereby assessed a drive through penalty.

Originally Posted by Patrick

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/s...d=2&id=2848638




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Why didn't this surprise me at all?

Originally Posted by berford

+1 more

Perhaps we need to fine Patrick for the same thing...Nah.

Sorry, boys. Go in a circle cars + Montoya just makes me LMAO.




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Originally Posted by Patrick

Sorry, boys. Go in a circle cars + Montoya just makes me LMAO.

Patrick's drive-through penalty is hereby rescinded.

Originally Posted by Patrick

Sorry, boys. Go in a circle cars + Montoya just makes me LMAO.




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...and fining any NASCAR driver for obscene jestures makes me LMAO. I had no idea it was such a cultured "sport."

By the way, was Alonso fined for giving someone the finger in Bahrain? Just curious.

Originally Posted by berford

...and fining any NASCAR driver for obscene jestures makes me LMAO.

Hell, I thought NASCAR in and of itself was an obscene gesture.

Kimi also flipped someone off (during qualifying) in the last race - and it was caught on TV.

No fine as far as I have heard.

Oops. Sorry, rong thread fer talkin' bout them thar For-mule 1 racin', y'all.


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Originally Posted by dwette

Hell, I thought NASCAR in and of itself was an obscene gesture.

I wonder what the Chinese will think when they get to host a race within the next five years.




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Originally Posted by Patrick

I wonder what the Chinese will think when they get to host a race within the next five years.




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They'll be disappointed it's not something worth pirating in any way.