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Old 10-10-2006, 07:27 AM
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Why 1 Series in US?

It is reported that BMW is going to introduce 1 Series to US market. Personally I don't think it's a smart market move. For what?

If they do want to increase the sales volume by lowering the entry bar, why not bringing the lesser versions of the 3 Series (e.g., the 2.5L 200hp 323 or even the 2.2L 320) to the market? 1 Series starts around $25k, 323 I guess $29k (since 328 is about $32k), and 320 will be even closer to the price of 1 Series. Not much difference, but it's a much better car.
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It is reported that BMW is going to introduce 1 Series to US market. Personally I don't think it's a smart market move. For what?

If they do want to increase the sales volume by lowering the entry bar, why not bringing the lesser versions of the 3 Series (e.g., the 2.5L 200hp 323 or even the 2.2L 320) to the market? 1 Series starts around $25k, 323 I guess $29k (since 328 is about $32k), and 320 will be even closer to the price of 1 Series. Not much difference, but it's a much better car.
What are you talking about?

The reason the other versions of the 3 are not here are for performance reasons and the fact that the engines would have to be certified for emissions and our gas does not allow true direct injection. The 1 that is going to supposedly come the states is not the hatch, it would be a sedan and it would be in more of the A3, Jetta segment. Have you driven a newer 3 series? It is the size of the previous 5 series, the 1 sedan would replace the former E46 size segment. I personally would buy that car in a second, I love my E90 3 but a smaller car with the same power output and many of the same components for cheaper is about right. The new 3 has a lot of shared guts with the 1 already, and since you have not had any experience in the 1 how can you say it is a lesser car?

BMW would be smart to bring it here, there are a lot of people that have no need for such a big 3 and the price point may bring the brand to some who would not have even considered it and then when they need there next car maybe it would be a larger model.

For example if Audi decided to build a Q5 first instead of the Q7 that would have made more sense since at the time of release the X3 was the only sport/luxury SUV (SAV) in that price point and size. Audi is now battling for a dieing market.
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I had a previous gen 5 series, and i can tell you, the new 3ers are not the same size. i felt closed in and claustrophobic in the new 3s compared to my 5er.
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I had a previous gen 5 series, and i can tell you, the new 3ers are not the same size. i felt closed in and claustrophobic in the new 3s compared to my 5er.
The new 3 series (exterior) is wider than the E39, but smaller in the other dimensions, while interior space is almost exactly the same between the two.
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I've driven a 1er in Germany and since then, I've wanted one over here. If they do indeed bring one, I'd be all over it. I think it's much like the argument of why you'd buy a 3er over a 5er. The smaller car is generally sportier and more enjoyable at low speeds. And they're not always cheaper, or about being so, consider a 335i vs. a 525i.

I'd love a three door 135i as a daily driver. The M Coupe is nice, but occassionally a back seat would be nice and not having a gas tank smack in the middle of the car would make carrying larger objects inside a little bit easier. True, the 1er wouldn't be as functional as an occassional track car, but I could always just buy a Spec Miata to make up for that.

I won't consider an E90/91 or really even an E46 car as they're too big and ponderous for my needs. They're nice, but not really fun to drive in town and too big for parking easily in downtown areas. The MINI is nice and meets 90% of my desires, but the 10% (fwd) is a deal killer for me. The 1er fixes that problem on a chassis that is only a little bigger (but sadly much heavier).

Still, the current 1er is nearly as much fun to drive as a good E21 or E30 and in many ways very similar to an E36, but with all of the modern advances in safety and technology. Of course if you didn't already understand why some of us would love a 1 series, it's quite possible that you'd never get it.

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I had a previous gen 5 series, and i can tell you, the new 3ers are not the same size. i felt closed in and claustrophobic in the new 3s compared to my 5er.
You can not be serious. They are essentially the same size.
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the US version will likely follow its larger 3-series sibling with the introduction of three distinctive shapes including a sedan, coupe and wagon
Hmm... A sedan, more in line with the e36/e46 tradition, and I would definitely be interested . (Never been a big fan of hatchbacks myself)
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I had a previous gen 5 series, and i can tell you, the new 3ers are not the same size. i felt closed in and claustrophobic in the new 3s compared to my 5er.
The new 3er feels claustrophobic because of the higher door sills that new cars have. Ever sat in a Dodge Magnum. That car is huge but I was still claustrophobic in it with a black interior. My E30 feels roomier than my E46, but that's mostly because I sit up right and the door sills are pretty low.
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You can not be serious. They are essentially the same size.
Nah, at least 1/2 foot wider, even that makes a big difference.

As far as the 1 series goes, they might as well bring it here, they are already bringing a frickin minivan anyway.
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Nah, at least 1/2 foot wider, even that makes a big difference.

As far as the 1 series goes, they might as well bring it here, they are already bringing a frickin minivan anyway.
E39 Vs. E90

1. The front headroom measured identical at 37" drivers seat at lowest position

2. Front legroom - The E90 has slightly more leg room and much greater seat travel. (drivers seat in comfortable driving position)

3. rear headroom - the E90 is a little tight, about .4" less than the E39

4. rear legroom - the E90 actually has about 1" more rear legroom than the E39 with the drivers seat in the same position as in the front legroom test. The biggest difference though is that in the E39 5 there is more room for your toes under the front seats. The E90 seats sit lower to the floor so you cant put your feets under them as much.

5. rear shoulder room - both measured identical at 57" across just below the windows

6. front width is nearly identical


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Front headroom on a 5er was 38.7 compared to 37.4 for the new 3. That's an Inch and a Third. thats a lot in a car.
Front leg room 41.7 v. 41.5 on the 3. basically the same.
Front shoulder: 56.8 v. 55.4 on the 3. again, that's almost and inch and a half more in the 5.
Rear headroom: 37.9 v. 37.1 on the 3. again, almost an inch more.
Rear leg room, yes the 3 is .4 longer. but i dont drive from the back seat.
Rear shoulder: 55.9 v. 55.1 on the 3.

it might not seam like much on paper, but it was enough for my wide shoulders to be INSIDE the car on the 5, and in the middle of the door jam on the 3.
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What are you talking about?

The reason the other versions of the 3 are not here are for performance reasons and the fact that the engines would have to be certified for emissions and our gas does not allow true direct injection. The 1 that is going to supposedly come the states is not the hatch, it would be a sedan and it would be in more of the A3, Jetta segment. Have you driven a newer 3 series? It is the size of the previous 5 series, the 1 sedan would replace the former E46 size segment. I personally would buy that car in a second, I love my E90 3 but a smaller car with the same power output and many of the same components for cheaper is about right. The new 3 has a lot of shared guts with the 1 already, and since you have not had any experience in the 1 how can you say it is a lesser car?

BMW would be smart to bring it here, there are a lot of people that have no need for such a big 3 and the price point may bring the brand to some who would not have even considered it and then when they need there next car maybe it would be a larger model.

For example if Audi decided to build a Q5 first instead of the Q7 that would have made more sense since at the time of release the X3 was the only sport/luxury SUV (SAV) in that price point and size. Audi is now battling for a dieing market.
I haven't driven a newer 3, though a 333hp M3 for a period of time. Maybe someone think the new 3 is "too big", but others inlcuding me feel it is still a bit small.

I never sat in a 1 series, but I drove a MB A-class on the curvy mountain roads in Europe for a couple of days. Actually I like it, but it does look and feel "cheap".

I guess maybe there are some people who pick a 1er for its tight size and agility, but most buyers do it because of its price. My point is - to lure those who can't afford a 328/335, why not offer them a 323 or even 320? Anyway, to maintain its brand name, BMW won't set the price of 1-series too low. So why buy a $25k 1 rather than a $27k 3?
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I haven't driven a newer 3, though a 333hp M3 for a period of time. Maybe someone think the new 3 is "too big", but others inlcuding me feel it is still a bit small.

I never sat in a 1 series, but I drove a MB A-class on the curvy mountain roads in Europe for a couple of days. Actually I like it, but it does look and feel "cheap".

I guess maybe there are some people who pick a 1er for its tight size and agility, but most buyers do it because of its price. My point is - to lure those who can't afford a 328/335, why not offer them a 323 or even 320? Anyway, to maintain its brand name, BMW won't set the price of 1-series too low. So why buy a $25k 1 rather than a $27k 3?
Cause some of us want a driver's car, not just a badge or people mover.
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Cause some of us want a driver's car, not just a badge or people mover.
I just want something to replace my beloved e46 when it wears out. I'm not convinced yet that the e90 is it.
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I guess maybe there are some people who pick a 1er for its tight size and agility, but most buyers do it because of its price. My point is - to lure those who can't afford a 328/335, why not offer them a 323 or even 320? Anyway, to maintain its brand name, BMW won't set the price of 1-series too low. So why buy a $25k 1 rather than a $27k 3?
So, you are saying that the better way for BMW to "maintain its brand name" is to "lure those who can't afford a 328/335" rather than to appeal to the enthusiasts who would choose a smaller, more agile car with the same engine?

Maybe that works in the short run. You would certainly get less of the younger, go-fast crowd in the dealership. But wouldn't at least some of them become the next generation of BMW die hards?
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I've driven a 1er in Germany and since then, I've wanted one over here. If they do indeed bring one, I'd be all over it. I think it's much like the argument of why you'd buy a 3er over a 5er. The smaller car is generally sportier and more enjoyable at low speeds. And they're not always cheaper, or about being so, consider a 335i vs. a 525i.

I'd love a three door 135i as a daily driver.

I won't consider an E90/91 or really even an E46 car as they're too big and ponderous for my needs. They're nice, but not really fun to drive in town and too big for parking easily in downtown areas. The MINI is nice and meets 90% of my desires, but the 10% (fwd) is a deal killer for me. The 1er fixes that problem on a chassis that is only a little bigger (but sadly much heavier).

Still, the current 1er is nearly as much fun to drive as a good E21 or E30 and in many ways very similar to an E36, but with all of the modern advances in safety and technology. Of course if you didn't already understand why some of us would love a 1 series, it's quite possible that you'd never get it.

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Why not?
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