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Old 12-10-2002, 02:03 PM
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Hello all,

I am new to the bimmer family. I just purchased an e36 M3, 1998. I am fairly new to the bimmer and my car was used. I don't have an owners manual. Can anyone refer me to any sites other than this one that talk about my model car? Can anyone tell me what the button on the center console that has s^m^e letters does? Also I am curious about racing, can an e36 m3 beat a e46 330. My friend wants to race me. Thank you, all and I look foward to being in the bimmer family.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:16 PM
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I REALLY, REALLY, hope you're talking about a track.

That said, the E36 M3 is slightly faster than the 330, but not much. A small slip up and the 330 will be ahead.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:23 PM
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thanks,

yeah, i have an automatic. i got tired of my old car shifting, but now i miss it. my friends 330 is an auto too.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:24 PM
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:26 PM
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thanks,

yeah, i have an automatic. i got tired of my old car shifting, but now i miss it. my friends 330 is an auto too.
I beleive, S= sport shifing mode, M= manual shift, and E= economy

I would bet that the cars would be fairly even in drag racing, edge to the M3.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:26 PM
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:30 PM
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Hell, that's less than 3 weeks (TOTAL) younger than I am.

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Old 12-10-2002, 02:32 PM
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yup High School grad,

i guess i just type too fast for the keyboard

actually, i this keyboard sucks and i have to type slow otherwise sme keys are not displayed, just like ths...<----some and this..
thanks for your help everyone, I am just curious about my car and want to know everything there is to know about it. soon as i get an owners manual maybe more of my q's will be anwered. the car is sweet though..it has an AC ****zner areo kit installed well as 19 inch AC S rims. thnks everyone.
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I would bet that the cars would be fairly even in drag racing, edge to the M3.
I disagree, I've raced on a track two E36 M3s, (one driven by the kid that played Bud Bundy) and I was all over him.

The other was even supercharged, but I don't think the guy could drive. I passed him pretty easy.

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If you've got a body kit and 19" wheels, the 330 will take you.
Especially since the auto box in the M3 was pretty poor.
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:10 PM
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I disagree, I've raced on a track two E36 M3s, (one driven by the kid that played Bud Bundy) and I was all over him.

The other was even supercharged, but I don't think the guy could drive. I passed him pretty easy.

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You even said it yourself.

It's about driver, the cars should be fairly evenly matched.
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:16 PM
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If you've got a body kit and 19" wheels, the 330 will take you.
Especially since the auto box in the M3 was pretty poor.
I agree here.

The 19s and body kit will negate any HP and torque advantage the M3 has.
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:18 PM
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19s might slow it down, but how does a bodykit effect acceleration?
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:19 PM
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19s might slow it down, but how does a bodykit effect acceleration?
Not acceleration per se. But overall speed thanks to increased weight and drag.
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:21 PM
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Not acceleration per se. But overall speed thanks to increased weight and drag.
How do you know that the ACS kit is heavier than the stock kit? Even if it is heavier, I'd bet that it's so small that it's insignificant. Do you know the drag ratings of stock vs. ACS to make that claim?

Many aero aids are put in place even though they knowingly increase drag. An egg shaped car is good for aerodynamics, but poor for stability. (i.e. Audi TT)
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How do you know that the ACS kit is heavier than the stock kit? Even if it is heavier, I'd bet that it's so small that it's insignificant. Do you know the drag ratings of stock vs. ACS to make that claim?

Many aero aids are put in place even though they knowingly increase drag. An egg shaped car is good for aerodynamics, but poor for stability. (i.e. Audi TT)
Increasing drag is good for stability, maybe, but it will still slow him down in a drag race, which appears to be what he wants.
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:27 PM
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Increasing drag is good for stability, maybe, but it will still slow him down in a drag race, which appears to be what he wants.
Yes, but do you know if the effect of the ACS body kit on drag?
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:33 PM
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Body kits are not *that* heavy as you may think. For instance the M II Aero Kit (incl. front and rear spoiler, side skirts and rear trunk lip) is something like 15 kg.

EDIT : The kit is of course not an added weight
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Yes, but do you know if the effect of the ACS body kit on drag?
Nope.

Your point is?
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Old 12-10-2002, 04:42 PM
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Nope.

Your point is?
You shouldn't speculate on its effects on drag and weight without haveing any data whatsoever to back up your position.
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Body kits are not *that* heavy as you may think. For instance the M II Aero Kit (incl. front and rear spoiler, side skirts and rear trunk lip) is something like 15 kg.

EDIT : The kit is of course not an added weight
I agree here. The factory coupe aerokit is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than the bumper covers that it replaces. BMW and ACS uses lightweight composite material (BMW uses fiberglass, ACS uses combination Flexall ?sp, fiberglass, and carbon fiber) and certainly these two kits not only aids in reducing weight but also improve cornering stability.

However, in a drag race environment, bodykit does not aid in acceleration.
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You shouldn't speculate on its effects on drag and weight without haveing any data whatsoever to back up your position.
Come on, Nate. When has that ever stopped anyone here from saying anything?


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Old 12-10-2002, 05:01 PM
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Technically speaking, all I said was that WITH the body kit and the 19" wheels he wasn't going to beat the 330.

That may strongly imply a causal link with the body kit, but it could only be one of the to items listed.
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The kit won't make a world of difference in a drag race, and its effects at the track are unknown until one looks into the aerodynamics of the kit. Maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't. Who cares? I'm glad you like it, definitely makes the car stand out from the E36 crowd. I'm not a big fan of most kits, but that's just me.

As for stoplight racing, those 19" whels will definitely give you a disadvantage. They may look nice in your opinion, but they're almost guaranteed to be heavier than the stock wheels. Heavier wheels make the engine work harder to produce torque, which will lead to slower acceleration. Since the stock E36 M3 and stock E46 330 are fairly close, I predict that you will lose most of the time to your buddy. Of course, it also depends on driver skill, driver weight, previous driving history on the car, condition of the transmission, etc.
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