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Old 06-08-2017, 10:45 AM
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BMW M car ED pricing questions

I know there have been a lot of changes recently to ED pricing, and I don't believe I'm fully understanding how they apply to M cars these days.

I'm leaning towards a 2018 M2 next year.

1. If I can get an allocation for an M2, does that mean that I can do ED on it if available for ordering? There is still no separate allocation for ED M cars, right?
2. If I am willing to pay ED MSRP, would a dealer be less hesitant to take the deal over a US delivery. Is there still a CSI bonus difference in profit for the dealership?
3. Any other suggestions on ED for an M2?

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Old 06-08-2017, 12:29 PM
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Excellent thread! I'm thinking of doing ED on an M2 as well

I reached out to one of the board sponsors and if I were to place an order today it would be for a November pickup. He said 5% off list, basically ED invoice is what I would pay. Not sure I can pull the trigger this year so likely next year late fall. Christmas season is fun in Munich

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Old 06-08-2017, 04:30 PM
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I know there have been a lot of changes recently to ED pricing, and I don't believe I'm fully understanding how they apply to M cars these days.

I'm leaning towards a 2018 M2 next year.

1. If I can get an allocation for an M2, does that mean that I can do ED on it if available for ordering? There is still no separate allocation for ED M cars, right?
2. If I am willing to pay ED MSRP, would a dealer be less hesitant to take the deal over a US delivery. Is there still a CSI bonus difference in profit for the dealership?
3. Any other suggestions on ED for an M2?

TIA.
Chris are you predicting the 2018 M2 as one of your deals of the year?

The problem with doing ED with an M2 is that it has been difficult to get an allocation, and when you do get it, it may not be your ideal travel time. You can't reserve a pick up date unless you have an allocation. I've read that once you have an allocation you may be able to get the ED department's help in trading for a later (but not earlier) build date to accommodate you.

1. Right, no ED allocations so it needs to come from dealer.
2. I've read about deals at ED MSRP but those seem to be rare. Things change and there seems to be a different way to compensate dealers on the back end.
3. BMWCCA rebate still available so hopefully you're still a member. Not that you could use Fleet Discount for ED, but M2 is one of the few models excluded from this program. The "other" forum occasionally has posts for available allocations at MSRP.

Not sure what the market is in your area but my dealer has 2 M2s on the floor with $5k markups, one a performance edition.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:41 AM
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To me, it sounds simply:

1. Put your name well in advance on a waitlist with agreed ED MSRP.
2. Your name comes up - you may be able to predict roughly when that would be per units sold/position on list
3. Place ED order.

Wouldn't this remove the timing factor, roughly speaking? What am I missing? Where would any reluctance from a dealership be?
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Old 06-09-2017, 01:42 PM
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Chris are you predicting the 2018 M2 as one of your deals of the year?

The problem with doing ED with an M2 is that it has been difficult to get an allocation, and when you do get it, it may not be your ideal travel time. You can't reserve a pick up date unless you have an allocation. I've read that once you have an allocation you may be able to get the ED department's help in trading for a later (but not earlier) build date to accommodate you.

1. Right, no ED allocations so it needs to come from dealer.
2. I've read about deals at ED MSRP but those seem to be rare. Things change and there seems to be a different way to compensate dealers on the back end.
3. BMWCCA rebate still available so hopefully you're still a member. Not that you could use Fleet Discount for ED, but M2 is one of the few models excluded from this program. The "other" forum occasionally has posts for available allocations at MSRP.

Not sure what the market is in your area but my dealer has 2 M2s on the floor with $5k markups, one a performance edition.
That's what I thought too, but someone at F87 M2 forums just bought one with $2k USAA discount. I thought USAA is corporate fleet discount.
If I can get fleet discount, I won't do ED on M2 (the spread is about $2.5k) assuming I can get one at full US MSRP and right now I doubt dealer will let one go for full ED MSRP anyway. But by the look of it, in my area M2 is still hot. Oh well, good thing I own all my cars so I am not in a hurry.
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Old 06-09-2017, 04:54 PM
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What am I missing? Where would any reluctance from a dealership be?
Adrian recently posted that for dealer allocations given to ED, there's no back end money so it is likely that the dealer will not make those deals at ED MSRP in the future once they audit themselves. So... you need to find a dealer that hasn't discovered that mistake. Someone on this board posted that they got ED MSRP from a dealer in El Paso or San Antonio but this was very early before the M2 hype started.

There really is no reason for dealers to make deals at ED MSRP for M2s when they could discount them locally and let buyers take advantage of any programs available and still get back end money.
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:01 PM
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That's what I thought too, but someone at F87 M2 forums just bought one with $2k USAA discount. I thought USAA is corporate fleet discount.
If I can get fleet discount, I won't do ED on M2 (the spread is about $2.5k) assuming I can get one at full US MSRP and right now I doubt dealer will let one go for full ED MSRP anyway. But by the look of it, in my area M2 is still hot. Oh well, good thing I own all my cars so I am not in a hurry.
The fleet discount seems to change by the month. It could be that the poster locked in the fleet discount before expiration. See here for current offerings: http://www.bmwgroupfleet.com M2 is not listed for offers ending June 30, 2017.
I'm not sure but USAA may be different from fleet discount.
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Excellent thread! I'm thinking of doing ED on an M2 as well

I reached out to one of the board sponsors and if I were to place an order today it would be for a November pickup. He said 5% off list, basically ED invoice is what I would pay. Not sure I can pull the trigger this year so likely next year late fall. Christmas season is fun in Munich

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5% off US MSRP is Euro MSRP. I highly doubt that you could get an M2 for Euro Delivery for ED invoice price.

Everyone I know with an M2 (at least a dozen) either paid Euro MSRP if it was a Euro Delivery and US MSRP if it was not.
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I highly doubt that you could get an M2 for Euro Delivery for ED invoice price.
I doubt you could get any ED car for ED invoice. Unless there is some special circumstance like a $3K doc fee.
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I stand corrected. I meant ED list.
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Chris are you predicting the 2018 M2 as one of your deals of the year?
That's the plan!
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