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Old 01-16-2007, 09:09 AM
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Bad press for the "fest

Look at the shirt the kid is wearing in the top pic of this article. http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=23371

It's a complete shame what happened. A second grade teacher dies do to poor judgment from these kids. The kids will be going away for a while.

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Old 01-16-2007, 09:39 AM
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:37 AM
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I'm gonna guess there are not many of those shirts out there, so someone on here must know something.
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I don't know who the drivers were, but here's a link to the article in the local paper:
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/107841.html

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Regional digest: Police say woman killed in street racing incident
Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, January 14, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B2

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FOLSOM -- A 53-year-old wife and mother on a weekend shopping trip was killed in a car wreck Saturday by a teenage driver who was street racing, Folsom police said.

The woman, driving a black Toyota Solara, was pulling out of the Folsom Premium Outlets and turning onto Iron Point Road when a red Dodge Stealth broadsided her about 2:45 p.m., said Officer Michelle Beattie, Folsom police spokeswoman.

As officers and a civilian performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation, an ambulance took the woman to Mercy San Juan Medical Center.

She was pronounced dead about 5 p.m., according to the Sacramento County Coroner's Office.

The coroner identified the victim as Susan McNew of Shingle Springs and said she was married with children.

Beattie said witnesses had seen the Dodge and a white BMW 5-series vehicle apparently racing and changing lanes erratically for some distance.

Witnesses said the cars had reached speeds of 60 to 80 mph in an area where the speed limit is 45 mph, and there was substantial weekend traffic, Beattie said.

"There were a lot of people out shopping and going to restaurants," she said.

The Dodge and the BMW each carried a 17-year-old male driver and passenger. The Dodge driver was taken to the hospital and treated for pain, then arrested. His passenger also was treated and released.

The BMW driver, who was unhurt, also was arrested. His passenger was sent home.

All the teens knew each other, Beattie said.

"They're all 17," she said. "They're all boys. They're all friends. A woman shopping and heading home is caught in the middle of their game and killed. It's tragic."

Both drivers will be charged with vehicular manslaughter and reckless driving, Beattie said. Their names were not released because they are minors.

No drugs or alcohol were involved in the collision, she said.

-- Hudson Sangree



And here's a link to the comments on the article:
http://www.sacbee.com/dyn/comments/s...&tie_to=107841

I'm thinking loss of vehicles and jail time would be in order for the drivers.
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that sucks. I've done stupid things in my car before but nothing that stupid.
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Old 01-29-2007, 11:40 AM
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YES!!!RIP Susan Mcnew,and the her familys lost as well...........
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Old 01-29-2007, 11:45 AM
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This is all to comon problem with young kids that think they can drive.....and have these cars that sport some serious power.

Really to bad for the family of the teacher!
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Old 01-29-2007, 11:51 AM
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My prayers and condolences go out to Susan McNew's family and loved ones.
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My condolences to Susan McNew's family too.

Interesting development from the news link: "Under a new state law that went into effect January 1, a driver found responsible for another person's death during an illegal street race faces a prison term of up to 10 years. The passengers in the two vehicles could also face charges under the new law if it is determined they played a role in encouraging the race."

That new law should be publicized in order to help in it's deterrent effect. If these guys had known about it, would they have raced?

While I don't think there should be a law preventing kids from having a powerful car, I think parents should do everything they can to prevent kids from acquiring cars with a power to weight ratio of more than 1hp/20lbs in their first several years of driving; and parents need to TALK to their kids about the risks.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:54 AM
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Folsom is the next town over from me. I about pissed myself when I saw that. They should be locked up for life.

One of the officer's that arrived on scene was a female and her child was tought by the lady that got killed. Talk about tough to see.
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I agree with the power to weight ratio. For the first year I had my licence I drove a Prius

Now I've got my E30 which I made pretty darn fast, but if I had that when I first started I have a feeling that it would be destroyed by now. Also, some kids are ALOT more responsible then others. I'm not saying that I'm REALLY responsible, but I got my pilots licence before I even drove a car for the first time

The main point is, kids need to learn to be more responsible these days. THey have WAY more freedom then they ever used to and much more responsibility.
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My condolences to Susan McNew's family too.

Interesting development from the news link: "Under a new state law that went into effect January 1, a driver found responsible for another person's death during an illegal street race faces a prison term of up to 10 years. The passengers in the two vehicles could also face charges under the new law if it is determined they played a role in encouraging the race."

That new law should be publicized in order to help in it's deterrent effect. If these guys had known about it, would they have raced?

While I don't think there should be a law preventing kids from having a powerful car, I think parents should do everything they can to prevent kids from acquiring cars with a power to weight ratio of more than 1hp/20lbs in their first several years of driving; and parents need to TALK to their kids about the risks.
I don't understand why a passenger should have to accept any liability for that.
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Well, they could have provoked the race. Trust me, when I have other kids in my car I have a tendancy to be more stupid behind the wheel
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Well, they could have provoked the race. Trust me, when I have other kids in my car I have a tendancy to be more stupid behind the wheel
Then thats your fault, not your friends. Unless someone holds you at gunpoint, you have complete control over what you do.
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Then thats your fault, not your friends. Unless someone holds you at gunpoint, you have complete control over what you do.
It's called guilt by association and/or by accessory. Street racing is a crime.
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It's called guilt by association and/or by accessory. Street racing is a crime.
I agree that it is a crime, but I find it unfair that a passenger who has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening should be charged.
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The passengers in the two vehicles could also face charges under the new law if it is determined they played a role in encouraging the race."
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I agree that it is a crime, but I find it unfair that a passenger who has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening should be charged.
So would most people, which probably why the law was written to limit it to passengers who "played a role in encouraging the race."
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I agree that it is a crime, but I find it unfair that a passenger who has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening should be charged.
A lot of the law is written in such that the courts interpret and rule based on the individual cases and based on case law, Stare Decisis (previous court rulings). Then you factor a jury into the equation and you never know what to expect.

In law enforcement we use the term "charge up and charge all," meaning file any charge legally possible and let the DA (district attorney) decide what they want to pursue for court prosecution. This way the lessor included charges can be dropped while the heavier charges remain.

Remember: Police done press charges, they file them to the DA's office only. If the DA agrees, he/she will pursue the filings and charges will be brought.
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94is, Cliff:
I'm not a proponent of that law, just reporting what I found in the news report. My personal opinion is that kids (including me when I was young and foolish) will do stupid stuff at the slightest provocation. I had a supercharged Chevy Camaro Z/28 and loved to hear the sound of the engine roaring at redline through a tunnel or residential neighborhood, backwards on the sidewalk, whatever. OK, maybe not backwards on the sidewalk, but you get my point. However, I drove like a little old man when my mom was in the car.

Years of driving Japanese imports after that taught me patience. Now, I'm having more fun, but trying to stay mellow.

Passengers have an effect on how you drive. If you're running on Testosterone or have something to prove to someone who is, then "it's on." Sadly, passengers play a role. I think the government is trying to make passengers take some responsibility if they are instigating trouble. It's like "Conspiracy" law. You don't have to be the "trigger man" to go be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

So, as they say, it is what it is. C'est la vie. If you don't like it, start a ballot initiative. I'd start one, but I'm too apathetic. ...at least I vote...
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I'm not a proponent of that law, just reporting what I found in the news report.
I know. I was just quoting you quoting the law.
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Look at the shirt the kid is wearing in the top pic of this article. http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=23371

It's a complete shame what happened. A second grade teacher dies do to poor judgment from these kids. The kids will be going away for a while.

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The Drivers are both on house arrest right now. I have met the driver of the stealth. He is best friends with a guy at my work. Its a shame what happened but everyone makes mistakes and has to live with the consequences for the rest of there lives. I wouldn't be surprised if he has nightmares from the crash.
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My condolences to Susan McNew's family.

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While I don't think there should be a law preventing kids from having a powerful car, I think parents should do everything they can to prevent kids from acquiring cars with a power to weight ratio of more than 1hp/20lbs in their first several years of driving
I do agree with you on the fact that Parents should explain these risks, I do not however agree on your opinion on whether or not parents should provide kids with powerful cars. It is my thought that by putting a teenager in a powerful car which they will in most cases cherish, that the individual will feel obligated to preserve this vehicle and not endanger themselve or the vehicle. I do belive that there is a limit to what a new/young driver should have access to as far as power though.
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