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Old 04-18-2007, 08:16 AM
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I agree with everything you said, Chief. Just one question:

What do you mean by "was interviewed by a local fish wrap"?

Sounds like he is referring to the local newspaper. It alludes to the practice of wrapping fish in newpaper. Usually meant as an insult.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:44 AM
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Sounds like he is referring to the local newspaper. It alludes to the practice of wrapping fish in newpaper. Usually meant as an insult.
That's gross. Newsprint tastes nasty. Don't ask me how I know...

I thought he meant something else, like a female reporter in a tight skirt...
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:30 PM
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Sounds like he is referring to the local newspaper. It alludes to the practice of wrapping fish in newpaper. Usually meant as an insult.
Bingo. A newspaper of poor reputation.
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Old 04-18-2007, 02:21 PM
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Bingo. A newspaper of poor reputation.

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I'll start by saying that when one of the locals that drive that street regularly was interviewed by a local fish wrap, said that there was plenty of un-abstructed view and had the driver of the car that was hit looked before she pulled out, she would not have pulled out.
That sounds an awful lot to me like blaming the victim. Too bad she didn't survive the crash to defend herself...
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That sounds an awful lot to me like blaming the victim. Too bad she didn't survive the crash to defend herself...


What ur not thinking about is that there is more than one victim here. Yes, she lost her life in a tragic accident, she has alot of prayers and thoughts with her and her family.
What if these kids are being punished for something that is not their fault. Again, they are suspected of racing, were not proved to be racing.
If they are innocent of the crime they are being charged with, what kind of impact has the media and all the people that have already judged them have on their lives... no one deserves that. Is it ok that there are people that are trying to stick up for them? Can it be that there is no fault? Or is it that if it's not one person's fault it has to be the other's? Someone has to be to blame right? WRONG !!
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What ur not thinking about is that there is more than one victim here. Yes, she lost her life in a tragic accident, she has alot of prayers and thoughts with her and her family.
What if these kids are being punished for something that is not their fault. Again, they are suspected of racing, were not proved to be racing.
If they are innocent of the crime they are being charged with, what kind of impact has the media and all the people that have already judged them have on their lives... no one deserves that. Is it ok that there are people that are trying to stick up for them? Can it be that there is no fault? Or is it that if it's not one person's fault it has to be the other's? Someone has to be to blame right? WRONG !!
Innocent until proven guilty...
The only facts available are those in the article linked to in the original post. The Sacbee article seems to have been archived, although I recall it being in general agreement with the first article. The articles are likely quoting police sources for facts about the crash. I have no reason to doubt them.

If you'd like to post links to realiable sources of factual evidence that contradicts the news reports (i.e.: other news sources, police reports, court documents, etc.), then go for it. Otherwise, your opinion is noted and is no more valid than my own.
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All I'm tryin to say is there is not factual evedence or proof of the situation available to the public or media. If all you have to go by is a news reports or what the media has to say think about how reliable your source is before you judge someone.
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Law agencies for the most part hate the media. BUT on the other hand, it serves as a checks and balances for our government (federal) making things public.

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All I'm tryin to say is there is not factual evedence or proof of the situation available to the public or media. If all you have to go by is a news reports or what the media has to say think about how reliable your source is before you judge someone.
By the end of most articles, the writers opinion is usually tossed around in it. The Sac Bee is notorious for ripping the Sacramento Sheriffs Dpt. Unless there are clear facts and for sure direct quotes from an interview, never call it accurate. Even with interviews, reporters tend to slant the responses from my experience.

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Law agencies for the most part hate the media. BUT on the other hand, it serves as a checks and balances for our government (federal) making things public.
They aren't the only ones. The media isn't as unbiased and concerned with facts as it should be. Even in interviews.

There was a building burning next door to where I lived about 20 years ago, and there's this guy who says "check this out, I'm gonna tell those reporters I saw the whole thing." after he just showed up at the same time as everyone else . Sure enough, they interview him and it aires - and it was total B.S.

Not to mention, you always see them take stuff out of context to sensationalize. Plus, you know they have an agenda. It's "whatever will sell." It's not about the truth.
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Media in general also tries to push teenagers into the ground as if we are the enemy on the inside and trying to create anarchy. And with a teacher involved it just makes it much much easier for the media to accuse the teenagers involved of racing and pinning all the blame on the youngsters before anyone that is reading the article has the chance to focus on the big picture rather than how the media targets teens in a blame game.


ya i know this sounds very much like i am saying "we are the true victims" but that is not what i am going for. Between the ages of 12 and 22 the media has predetermined as vile and rebellious no matter what the circumstances are. A person between those ages either wasn't paying attention, being intolerant, or at complete fault which results in something bad happening.

sometimes this is completely not true, but generally this is the case.
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