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Old 01-03-2003, 07:44 AM
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Question So who won - BMW or Lexus??

We should find out later today...
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Old 01-03-2003, 08:03 AM
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I was planning to go the the .org today to see if Fred Meloan posted sales figures for the year. Maybe you could post sales figures for all models for 2002 versus 2001 here?
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well....
....if bmw had an entry level/plebian line of cars they could rebadge, too, and sell, it would not be a contest, would it?
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Old 01-03-2003, 08:07 AM
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I'll see what I can do...



Fred Meloan doesn't have a job, and I still have month-end
and year-end wrap-up to do.

I also have to get my annual retail forecast and January
business started...
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Old 01-03-2003, 08:21 AM
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I am just wondering... does anybody know how to find sales figures for the Big 3 and other car makers?
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well....
....if bmw had an entry level/plebian line of cars they could rebadge, too, and sell, it would not be a contest, would it?
i thought that was the mini cooper? there's the upcoming 1 series.
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I'll see what I can do...



Fred Meloan doesn't have a job, and I still have month-end
and year-end wrap-up to do.

I also have to get my annual retail forecast and January
business started...
Fred Meloan doesn't have a job at BMW anymore? No wonder it said Oscar Consulting
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Old 01-03-2003, 10:06 AM
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Fred Meloan doesn't have a job at BMW anymore? No wonder it said Oscar Consulting
I read that as "Fred doesn't have anything better to do than post sales numbers."

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will set me straight.
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Old 01-03-2003, 10:08 AM
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And here's the info you're looking for- http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030103/nyf047_1.html
(It aligns properly at the link.)


BMW Group Ends Best Year Ever With Record Month
Friday January 3, 12:26 pm ET
December Sales Up 43 Percent; Year-to-date Sales Up 20 Percent


WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., Jan. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- The BMW Group (BMW and MINI brands combined) ended its best year ever with the strongest sales month on record, reporting December sales of 26,252 vehicles, an increase of 43 percent over the same month last year. (BMW Group set its previous monthly sales record of 23,994 vehicles in April of this year.) The company also recorded twelve-month sales gains of 20 percent, reporting 256,622 vehicles over the 213,127 reported in the same period a year ago.
BMW Brand Also Has Best Month and Year

BMW of North America, LLC reported year-to-date sales of 232,032 automobiles and Sports Activity Vehicles, up 9 percent over the 213,127 vehicles sold in the same period last year. The company also reported its strongest month ever with December sales of 22,974, up 25 percent over the 18,414 in the same month in 2001. (The previous record for the BMW brand was set in April 2002 when the company reported 22,435 sales.)

"This was the best year ever for 7 Series sales, as customers responded to the all-new model, which went on sale last January," said Ed Robinson, Executive Vice President - Operations for BMW of North America, LLC. "Sales of BMW models across the board were strong. In its last full year of production, we also recorded our strongest sales year ever for the popular 5 Series model."

BMW Automobile Sales

BMW reported sales of 189,290 compared to the 172,505 cars sold in 2001, an increase of 10 percent. The company also reported December automobile sales of 18,949, up 34 percent from the 14,114 cars sold in the same month a year ago.

BMW Sports Activity Vehicle Sales

Year-to-date, sales of BMW's X5 Sports Activity Vehicles were up 5 percent, to 42,742 vehicles over the 40,622 reported in 2001. For the month of December, reported sales of 4,025 BMW X5 Sports Activity Vehicles, down 6 percent over the 4,300 vehicles reported last year.

BMW Certified Pre-owned Vehicles Sales

Sales of BMW CPO vehicles set records, too, as the company reported 60,610 vehicles in 2002, an increase of 52 percent above the 39,853 vehicles sold last year. For December, CPO sales were up 32 percent to 5,289 compared to 4,004 sold in the same month in 2001.

MINI Brand

MINI Automobiles

In just over nine months, MINI sales in the U.S. exceeded forecasted figures for the first twelve months of sales. Year-to-date, the company reported sales of 13,903 MINI Coopers and 10,687 MINI Cooper S' for combined sales of 24,590. The company reported sales of 1,703 MINI Coopers and 1,575 MINI Cooper S' during the month of December for a total of 3,278 cars sold. The MINI brand has been on sale in the U.S. since March 22.

BMW GROUP IN AMERICA

BMW of North America has been present in the United States since 1975. Since then, the BMW Group in the United States has grown to include marketing, sales and financial service organizations for the BMW and MINI brands; a South Carolina manufacturing operation; DESIGNWORKS/USA, an industrial design firm in California; a technology office in Silicon Valley and various other operations throughout the country. The BMW Group is represented in the U.S. through networks of 340 BMW car, 327 BMW Sports Activity Vehicle, 148 BMW motorcycle retailers and 69 MINI car dealers. BMW US Holding Corp., the Group's headquarters for North, Central and South America, is located in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey.

Information about BMW Group products is available to consumers via the Internet at http://www.bmwusa.com, http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com and http://www.miniusa.com.

BMW Car Sales Report for December 2002

2002 2001

December 18949 14114
Year-to-Date 189290 172505

Year-to- Year-to-
December Date December Date
2002 2002 2001 2001

323i (E46) 0 0 0 102
325i (E46) 3834 39585 3146 39220
325Ci (E46) 745 8201 981 9207
325Ci convertible (E46) 740 9245 766 9466
325i sport wagon (E46) 258 1434 109 3171
325xi 1452 12427 731 1824
325xi sport wagon 226 1902 169 327
330i 1263 11479 1067 17095
330Ci 799 7533 533 8349
330Ci convertible 676 8440 691 7841
330xi 728 5674 327 730
M3 (E46) 579 5625 620 3826
M3 convertible (E46) 321 3883 260 1991
M3 convertible (E36) 0 0 0 78
3 Series 11621 115428 9400 103227
Z3 2.5 (US) 93 3681 395 8201
Z3 3.0 roadster (US) 17 2090 98 4720
Z3 3.0 coupe (US) 7 243 11 629
Z4 2.5i roadster (US) 1033 2204 0 0
Z4 3.0i roadster (US) 656 1500 0 0
M roadster (US) 10 479 71 985
M coupe (US) 8 293 25 379
Z3 and Z4 Series 1824 10490 600 14914
525i 1260 13349 1207 12855
525i sport wagon 226 1696 136 2216
528i 0 0 0 0
528i sport wagon 0 0 0 0
530i 1610 19057 1795 16564
540i sport wagon 61 370 31 406
540i 412 4704 432 5606
540i(E39) 0 0 0 0
M5 130 1666 379 2358
5 Series 3699 40842 3980 40005
740i 1 31 15 4491
740iL 0 40 14 8589
740iL Protection 0 0 0 8
745i 529 11512 0 0
750iL 1 16 3 289
750iL Protection 0 0 0 12
745Li 1245 10407 0 0
760Li 0 0 0 0
7 Series 1776 22006 32 13389
Z8 29 524 102 970
Z8 Series 29 524 102 970


BMW Sports Activity Vehicle (light trucks) Sales Report for December 2002

2002 2001

December 4025 4300
Year-to-Date 42742 40622

Year-to- Year-to-
December Date December Date
2002 2002 2001 2001

X5 3.0i (US) 2940 32131 3469 27041
X5 4.4i (US) 969 9235 691 13261
X5 4.6is (US) 116 1376 140 320
Total 4025 42742 4300 40622

MINI Sales Report for December 2002

2002

December 3278
Year-to-Date 24590

December Year-to-Date
2002 2002

MINI Cooper 1703 13903
MINI Cooper S 1575 10687

Total 3278 24590




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Source: The BMW Group

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I read that as "Fred doesn't have anything better to do than post sales numbers."

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will set me straight.
As far as I know (and I really don't know), Fred is retired and his
assignment as Internet Sales Manager is really for his own
personal amusement...

I could be wrong...


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Tom,

Can you find out what Lexus' retail numbers were??

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Old 01-03-2003, 10:17 AM
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As far as I know (and I really don't know), Fred is retired and his
assignment as Internet Sales Manager is really for his own
personal amusement...

I could be wrong...


But that's been the case for years, AFAIK.
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Old 01-03-2003, 10:19 AM
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Tom,

Can you find out what Lexus' retail numbers were??

I just looked and they do not have a press release on the wire yet.
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Old 01-03-2003, 10:24 AM
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Quick E46 sales totals:

2001 :::: 2002
63,215 : 72,794 : 325 : sales +15%
34,015 : 33,126 : 330 : sales -3%
5,817 :::: 9,508 : M3 : sales +63%

Overall 3-series sales were up 12% from 2001.
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