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Old 01-28-2011, 05:00 PM
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Do they run the same class as you do?
-There are no classes in HPDEs. Drivers are grouped by experience and expected lap times. No one's racing, that would undermine the purpose of an HPDE. And Scatha's not a race car anyway. But if you were to club race a Z4 M Coupe it would probably be down a class from a C5 Z06 due to power/weight, but she'd still be quicker on most tracks.
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I checked out this web site, http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/ I kept wondering what HPDE was. I got pretty excited after reading up, then pretty quickly realized there is no track even close to me where I can run my car. South Georgia is loaded with dirt tracks, drag tracks but no road courses.

Oh well, there's always sunday drives in the country.

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I checked out this web site, http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/ I kept wondering what HPDE was. I got pretty excited after reading up, then pretty quickly realized there is no track even close to me where I can run my car. South Georgia is loaded with dirt tracks, drag tracks but no road courses.

Oh well, there's always sunday drives in the country.

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You are close to many good tracks... You will just have to drive a little.

Check out CMP (Carolina Motorsports Park) and Road America for starters...

Road America for christ sakes... Is Awesome....

Got to this site, register and search for the nearest driving event you can sign up for near you.

http://www.motorsportreg.com/
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The Carliona track is 7 hours and Road Atlanta is 5-6 depending on traffic.
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The Carliona track is 7 hours and Road Atlanta is 5-6 depending on traffic.

So...........

I plan on a six hour trip to CMP and an eight hour trip to Road America this summer....
I would think that RA is closer for you than for me... for me it's 585 miles....
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I checked out this web site, http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/ I kept wondering what HPDE was. I got pretty excited after reading up, then pretty quickly realized there is no track even close to me where I can run my car. South Georgia is loaded with dirt tracks, drag tracks but no road courses.

Oh well, there's always sunday drives in the country.

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-Road Atlanta is worth the drive. It's one of my favorite road courses (drove my M5 there back in 2005), great rhythm and flow. Since it's a long drive for you, plan it as a weekend trip. Get two days at the track, which is always better for learning anyway since the brain processes a lot while you sleep. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some FL tracks similarly accessible. And what about Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham? Long drive I'm sure, but would make a great weekend.
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Most of my HPDE's are two day events. More cost effective..
I plan on a three or four day trip to RA in Nov. The wife and I go. She does not want to drive. She just walks around, makes new friend and networks...plus my best friend and track buddy is going with his wife so both of them just pal around while we drive. He just can't decide if he is taking the Miata or the Corvette.

My home track is VIR and go there a lot since it's only three hours away. The new vehicle dynamics track, NCCAR is only 1.5 hours away.. With both of these tracks, we come off the track around four or five o'clock and just drive home.

It's a great way to get rid of any excess stress that the doctors say we all have too much of.



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Old 02-01-2011, 06:11 PM
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I checked out this web site, http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/ I kept wondering what HPDE was. I got pretty excited after reading up, then pretty quickly realized there is no track even close to me where I can run my car. South Georgia is loaded with dirt tracks, drag tracks but no road courses.

Oh well, there's always sunday drives in the country.

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Depending where in south Georgia you likely aren't more than 3 hours from Roebling Road, Road Atlanta, or Barber Motorsports Park. Find a club that runs events at one of these tracks and get involved.
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I checked out this web site, http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/ I kept wondering what HPDE was. I got pretty excited after reading up, then pretty quickly realized there is no track even close to me where I can run my car. South Georgia is loaded with dirt tracks, drag tracks but no road courses.

Oh well, there's always sunday drives in the country.

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Roebling Road is your best bet. Nasa has schools there on a regular basis. The First Coast chapter of the BMW CCA (Jacksonville to Daytona) uses that track whenever they have schools. If you're on the west side of GA, the Heart of Dixie Chapter in B'ham uses Barber for their schools. That's a fun place too. The Peachtree chapter (all of GA) uses Road Atlanta. They have an event coming up in early March. All these chapters have websites you can check out. Start at bmwcca.org to find them.
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I live in the perfect place, I am 4 hours from Daytona, 5 hours from Atlanta, and 6 hours from Birmingham. Nothing like being in the middle!

I am going to be down for the Daytona 500 in a couple of weeks, I will see if I have time to find the club down there.

Thanks for all the pointers!

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Unfortunately you can't run with the BMW CCA with the roadster, insurance requirments, at Road Atlanta. You can check with the Heart of Dixie chapter for their rules at Barber. The PCA does events at Roebling and they do allow roadsters.
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You might want to try the Porsche group in your area. They will most likely let you run with them ( they do out here)
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Panoz ran the school at Road Atlanta when I ran there, and as far as I can remember they allowed convertibles. There was at least one Viper.
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For those of you not getting the BMWCCA LA Chapter newsletter Whispering Bomb, Scatha got a nice article on the back cover for the inaugural "Member Spotlight" section. I look forward to seeing future editions.
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Panoz ran the school at Road Atlanta when I ran there, and as far as I can remember they allowed convertibles. There was at least one Viper.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. Other groups including Chin, MVP, Dark Side, and PCA allow roadsters at Road Atlanta. The CCA doesn't. I apologise for brevity....
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I find it interesting that other groups would and BMW would not.

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Zach Mayne, the guy who wrote/shot Scatha's articles for Bimmer and Performance BMW magazines, informed me that Scatha was nominated for Car of The Year in Performance BMW. Unfortunately voting has already ended, and due to the time lag between US and the UK when it comes to print publications I won't know the result for sure for at least another month. Win or not (I'm presuming not), it's an honor (and surprise) to be nominated.
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Zach Mayne, the guy who wrote/shot Scatha's articles for Bimmer and Performance BMW magazines, informed me that Scatha was nominated for Car of The Year in Performance BMW. Unfortunately voting has already ended, and due to the time lag between US and the UK when it comes to print publications I won't know the result for sure for at least another month. Win or not (I'm presuming not), it's an honor (and surprise) to be nominated.
Well congrats are in order then !! I know my coupe is lightyears away from being noticed by any mag !
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In case anyone has been curious why this thread has been so quiet over the past 3 months, go take a look at MOD #71 in this new thread: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...28#post6063528
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Scatha has new wheels. Sort of. These will not replace the RG-Rs, but will augment them. I have found myself in the situation that Scatha now is requested for more shows than before, and r-comps just don't have the post-track tread thickness for repeated long distance highway travel. So I bought a set of Michelin Super Sports and these are, for the time being, on a set of Apex ARC-8s.

They are stylistically a cross between the RG-R and MORR's VS7. Apex's Hyper Black is very similar to BBS's Diamond Black. The ARC-8 is actually lighter than the RG-R, by a small amount, and just as strong. But it's less than 1/2 the price.

Eventually I will refinish the RG-Rs and they will be the "show" wheels, and the ARC-8s will be the track wheels.

Pics of the ARC-8 and RG-R next to each other:






The ARC-8s have MUCH more space behind the spokes for a BBK, so much more that I took off the 18mm spacers I run with the RG-Rs and the ARC-8s still cleared the calipers by more than the RG-Rs with the spacers! But I wasn't sure about the ARC-8's clearance to the strut when not using the 18mm spacer, so I reinstalled it when I mounted the wheels. Below are frontal shots of the car spliced together, one side has the RG-R and one the ARC-8. They stick out the same amount with the same spacers.



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Palantirion - your art work on Scatha is awesome. How is the ESS supercharger on the car holding up with regular track days? Is the car just as solid and reliable as it is in NA form (regular maintenence of course)?

STIHLBOLTS - If you can make it to a 2 day track event at Road Atlanta, you will enjoy your car like you never can on a public road. I highly recommend it - I made the 880'ish mile (one way) trip last year and plan to do it again this year. Brilliant track.

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Palantirion - your art work on Scatha is awesome. How is the ESS supercharger on the car holding up with regular track days? Is the car just as solid and reliable as it is in NA form (regular maintenence of course)?

STIHLBOLTS - If you can make it to a 2 day track event at Road Atlanta, you will enjoy your car like you never can on a public road. I highly recommend it - I made the 880'ish mile (one way) trip last year and plan to do it again this year. Brilliant track.
-Thanks. The CFR-500 is holding up very well. Temps are great, limp mode is basically gone. I got a Blackstone report on my tranny fluid at it's first change. This showed above average aluminum, and they said that it may not mean anything if the number declines on the next service.

I second your feelings about Road Atlanta. I got to track my M5 there and it was an awesome track to drive! 2-day school would be better than my 1-day, since all people new to the track must do lead/follow for their first day.

p.s. Love the pics of the 2 MCs!
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-Thanks. The CFR-500 is holding up very well. Temps are great, limp mode is basically gone. I got a Blackstone report on my tranny fluid at it's first change. This showed above average aluminum, and they said that it may not mean anything if the number declines on the next service.

I second your feelings about Road Atlanta. I got to track my M5 there and it was an awesome track to drive! 2-day school would be better than my 1-day, since all people new to the track must do lead/follow for their first day.

p.s. Love the pics of the 2 MCs!
Interesting Re: transmission wear. Have you been sending your engine oil out to Blackstone as well? Given the propensity for bearing wear on the S54s, I would expect the additional power from the supercharger to make that worse.

As I get a bit better tracking this car (my first RWD car and the MC is a tricky one) I find myself running out of 4th gear 3/4ths of the way on long straights - car has no pull in 5th and I end up coasting in 4th to the braking zone. I like the stock gearing so adding power is starting to creep into the back of my brain - I know, I should work on improving my driving before that

The first session at Road Atlanta was scary and very humbling - but we got faster by the 3rd session. It was a blast after that.

Most of my track pics are here - some great ones taken by a professional outfit that visits VIR and Road Atlanta during their off season.

http://dertt.fotki.com/m-coupe/track-events/
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Pal - perhaps we can get a 2 for 1 ESS special on superchargers? I too feel the need for more power...

Saw 2 ///M Coupes on the Nordschleife today one blue that blew right past me and a black one in the parking lot. Anyone here?
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Interesting Re: transmission wear. Have you been sending your engine oil out to Blackstone as well? Given the propensity for bearing wear on the S54s, I would expect the additional power from the supercharger to make that worse.

As I get a bit better tracking this car (my first RWD car and the MC is a tricky one) I find myself running out of 4th gear 3/4ths of the way on long straights - car has no pull in 5th and I end up coasting in 4th to the braking zone. I like the stock gearing so adding power is starting to creep into the back of my brain - I know, I should work on improving my driving before that

The first session at Road Atlanta was scary and very humbling - but we got faster by the 3rd session. It was a blast after that.

Most of my track pics are here - some great ones taken by a professional outfit that visits VIR and Road Atlanta during their off season.

http://dertt.fotki.com/m-coupe/track-events/
-Engine oil has been tested twice since the CFR-500 and shows no unusual wear.

Btw, new pics are on www.myartcar.com from the BMWCCA events at Specialized Coatings and San Diego's Clean Car Contest. Scatha is also now featured on Just A Car Guy, one of the web's top automotive blogs.
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