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Old 01-10-2003, 10:53 PM
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Ron, here's what you were looking for:

The part number is 65 21 8 401 358. Hope that helps.
That's the telephone one. Thanks.
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Old 01-10-2003, 11:05 PM
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Ron, here's what you were looking for:
The part number is 65 21 8 401 358. Hope that helps.
How does the black wire (telephone one) get from the antenna amplifier to the center console? Parts data shows it at 65 inches long and I was wondering how they got it there. If you get a chance can you measure how long the cable is?

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Old 01-14-2003, 09:07 AM
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I'll check the routing and length of that cable ASAP. Spent the weekend doing some "infrastructure improvements" on the garage to support this project. Built more shelves and work benches.
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Old 01-16-2003, 07:49 AM
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I haven't yet measured the cable (need to pull the front speakers before I can remove the entire harness), but I don't doubt the 65" measurement.

The cable starts at the antenna amp, runs down the c-pillar on the passenger side, and along that rear wheel well to the center partition. There it crosses to the center where it joins the rest of the stereo harness and drops down to the transmission tunnel, running along the driver side forward and up to the radio.

The rear speaker wires follow this same path. All the lighting runs a separate path along the driver side of the car.

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Old 01-16-2003, 06:24 PM
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Questions on parts for sale...

I assume you've sold the CD Player? If not is it for sale?

Did you notice if there was an alarm module hidden away behind the glove box? Kind of looked like a no, but I can't really tell.

Did the car have a center console with flip up covers for the storage area or cup holders? If so, Maddux probably has it.. if not I'll buy it.

I noticed the car had Dinan exhaust... did you do that? If not, does it have aftermarket springs or shocks that you'll be swapping out for more aggresive race stuff?

And last but not least, I need the plastic piece that forms the back side of the partition between 'trunk' and passenger area. This would be the large piece that has the hole for the CD changer, with or without cover. If you have this piece I would greatly like to buy it (that is unless Mr. Maddux or Mr. Maddux beat me to that too!)

These are shots in the dark but worth a try!

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Old 01-16-2003, 08:46 PM
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Adam - check your email.
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Old 01-17-2003, 08:28 AM
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Thumbs down Lost in tangles of cable...

Well, since the next step is basically pulling the entire front out of the car (all a/c components, dash, cross bar, etc.), and I'm going to be out of town for a week, I figured I'd better label some of these wires. Got most of them identified, but there are a few stragglers I was hoping you folks could help me with.

This one is part of the audio harness going back to the subwoofer enclosure:


I'm certain that 2 of these were connected to the cigarette lighter, the other two I'm not sure:


This one is near the OBD-II connector:



Some of those connectors may not be stock.

What's this thing for? It's under the dash on the driver's side:


And how would a normal guy find that out? I'd rather be able to look it up than have to ask.

In reality this isn't absolutely necessary since I have no intention of ever hooking most of them back up, but it's a good learning experience and JIC measure.
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Old 01-18-2003, 11:03 AM
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Thumbs up Progress is good...

Lots of progress last night. Pulled the instrument cluster, dash, headlight switch, heater box and carpet. What a mess! Thank goodness I labeled those connections first.

This project has given me a new outlook on the automotive industry. It is truly amazing how much stuff is in these cars, how little they cost, and how well they run. Can you IMAGINE what this rat's nest would look like in the new 7 series?





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Old 01-18-2003, 11:34 AM
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Wow Dan...

(what he really means is: "Wow Dan, that shift lever sure looks tall!")

...that's some project you've got going
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Old 01-18-2003, 12:55 PM
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Yeah it does look tall, doesn't it. The console hides a lot of that, but I suspect it's not OE gear. At any rate I've got a UUC kit on order to replace it.

Note the wires in the driver floorboard were thrown together somewhat for dramatic effect. This evening's project - straighten things out and see what I can start to eliminate.

How's your Austin coming along? I look forward to seeing you and Susan again at HC this year.
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Old 01-18-2003, 01:04 PM
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That is truely amazing Danno! Wow. I would be soo freaking lost. I admire your ability and dedication. I also agree its pretty amazing how new cars are made...


fyi...i read the flagship 7 series has over 80 microprocessors in it.....

Enjoy the journey!!
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Old 01-18-2003, 09:51 PM
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Yeah it does look tall, doesn't it. The console hides a lot of that, but I suspect it's not OE gear. At any rate I've got a UUC kit on order to replace it.
Aw shucks, was hoping to get you interested in one from me.

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How's your Austin coming along? I look forward to seeing you and Susan again at HC this year.
I actually spoke with the guy doing the bodywork last Thursday. The car is finally making progress! I wouldn't bet on it, but maybe I'll get to "drive" it this year.
I'd like to see us all have dinner at the chop house again, that was fun!
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Old 01-19-2003, 07:41 AM
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Tommy - Thanks! You'd be fine. It's just a bunch of wires! Don't congratulate me too soon, though. The real trick is getting it to work again.

On that note I did start it last night after pulling the entire stereo wiring harness and disconnecting everything behind the glovebox. I had to shut it down pretty quickly as I had forgotten about the open coolant lines to the a/c. Didn't take long to remember as I watched the antifreeze streaming out of the garage. I feel like Dr. Frankenstein!

Randy - I didn't realize you were offering them. I considered getting one from Ron, but am really curious about the UUC product. It looks to be a nice piece. We can all compare notes when it arrives.

Chophouse = mmmmmmmm. I'm in.
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Old 01-19-2003, 09:44 PM
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Next target - engine bay...

With some help from fellow z3'er Marc Wiens the front end of the coupe was under attack today...

We pulled the a/c system (condenser, compressor, dryer, tubing), aux fan, and clutch fan. To do so we had to remove the bumper (thanks to tips from Ron Stygar), lights, and radiator. All of it was pretty straightforward.

Pulled the bumper and lights - it doesn't take long, isn't hard, and makes a lot of the other work much easier. It is somewhat intimidating, though.



Here we've removed the aux fan and a/c condenser:



Condenser is out and we can see clear thru to the clutch fan:



Clutch fan removed:



View from the top - lots of room:



Why? Weight and power loss. The two fans will be replaced with a single electric fan mounted to the back of the radiator. By removing the a/c condensor the air path is opened up tremendously, so the radiator can do its job.


Back inside, I finished pulling all the modules down from behind the glovebox, removed the last of the sound dampening material, and started looking at the harnesses:



I did have one significant milestone in this department - elimination of the first major harness. Yes, it takes this much wire to run your stereo.



When I get back next week I'll start working on the oil cooler and fan installation, along with a million other things.
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Old 01-20-2003, 07:56 AM
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Danno,
what are your plans for the oil cooler?

Look at the one on your gray car, looks easy enough to replicate that.

I'm currently working on an adapter to add on oil temp/oil press sending units (for models that have neither fitted from the factory using just one port on the filter), so I have been looking very closely at the oil filter housings on both (S-52 & S-54) cars lately.

Let me know if you need something "special"...
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Randy, as far as your sending sending unit project...

How bout building oil coolers for S52's? Seems like the last one I saw was something outrageous, like $1800. There should be oil cooler kits for a few hundred bucks considering the parts involved.

I'd love to get my oil temp down in the S54 range! Then I could remove my clutch driven fan as well and not worry too much about it!

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Re: Randy, as far as your sending sending unit project...

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How bout building oil coolers for S52's? Seems like the last one I saw was something outrageous, like $1800. There should be oil cooler kits for a few hundred bucks considering the parts involved.

I'd love to get my oil temp down in the S54 range! Then I could remove my clutch driven fan as well and not worry too much about it!

Adam
The guy (who's name escapes me) that was offering the 1800.00 oil cooler pkg. was emulating what "would have" come from the factory. The oil filter housing alone was either 400 or 600 (?).

But you're right, there should be a less expensive way to accomplish lower oil temperatures.

I'll look into it...
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Oil cooler...

Give it serious thought! You do this and you can be making Ron Stygar kind of money! (haha!)

But this is one you want to make sure is done right and tested thouroughly. Failure is definitely not an option when you're talking about playing with the S52's main artery!

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Old 01-23-2003, 12:39 AM
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Live from Kyoto, Japan...

Darn this internet thing is neato.

Anyway, Randy, to answer your question I'm using an oil cooler setup from VAC Motorsports in Philly. They sell 2 versions, one based on the euro cooler, and one that uses the euro housing with a mocal cooler. I'm taking the second route as it holds an extra 1.5-2 quarts of oil and provides better cooling.

For temp/pressure taps I'm using one of the VAC oil filter lids (pictured below) tapped for the senders on my Stack dash. I'll snap some pics when I return. In the meantime, check here:

VAC Motorsports Oil System Parts



BTW, I've been nothing but happy with VAC. Tony is a great guy that is willing to take the time to talk me through just about anything.
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Danno,

Another option to put an oil pressure gauge in your track car.

No need to mess with the sending unit and wiring when you change the filter.

The Maddux Bros. asked me to come up with an adapter to allow fitting both oil temperature and oil pressure sending units from a single port on the oil filter housing.

I've been using my S-52 car as model and was thinking about your track car at the same time. Our cars already have the oil temp as standard, but there are no unused ports on the filter (like there is on the S-54).

This piece would allow adding the pressure transducer by mounting the existing temperature sensor in the adapter block.
The adapter mounts to the temperature port on the oil filter housing using a Banjo Bolt.
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what is the status of this project?

and does the oil cooler help with oil starvation during hard driving?

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Status - taking a lot longer than I expected. It took a lot of manhours to get all the sound deadening material, seam sealant, and unnecessary brackets cut and scraped out of the car. Nearly 30 pounds of it! I finished prepping all the interior for paint.

I'm planning to deliver the car to the cage guy near the end of the month. Before then I'll pull the motor and send it for head work, motec install, and dyno tuning. Should all come together around the end of July. Finger's crossed.

I don't think the oil cooler by itself will help with starvation. For that you need to baffle the pan. From everything I hear starvation really isn't an issue for late model e36s. Korman and others offer the LTW oil pan, but it requires a lot of work to install. Turner will take a stock pan and weld in baffles, but they only do that in-house.
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Hey DannO, any updates? This is *really* interesting...
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The car is in the paint shop. The cage is done, the sunroof is patched, as are all the unnecessary holes on the firewall. The engine is at the motor shop. Slow start there. Hopefully all will be done end of next month or so and I'll be on the track before the end of September.

I've been terrible about doing updates on the build log, but check here:
http://www.danspot.org/00MCoupe/journal/index.htm

It will be caught up one of these days.

In the meantime I threw together this page to preview the cage and motor stuff:
http://www.danspot.org/00MCoupe/sneak/sneak.htm

Here's a mock-up of the paint scheme I'm doing - Porsche Speed Yellow on BMW Cosmos Black:


I like it. Undoubtably others will hate it and will brand me a coupe offender!
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