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Old 04-12-2017, 07:27 PM
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NAV Shockingly bad - POI

I simply can't believe how bad the BMW NAV system is. There are many examples, but how is is possible that it doesn't take your current location into account when searching for a POI?

I live in NJ, USA. Some examples:

Looking for a local business, JAG Physical Therapy, and I type in "JAG". The list returned is a collection of locations in Indonesia and other Far East locales. Useful.

Let's do something easier: "Home Depot" - the result? Home Depot Miami, Home Depot Houston when there's a Home Depot 400 yards away. WTF?

I spoke to someone who worked on testing the system. The logic apparently is to display the most frequently searched location of all BMW NAV users. Useful.

How does this crazy logic persist for years in a fundamental feature?

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Old 04-12-2017, 08:16 PM
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Not that far along yet in using, I'm still reading user manual. But yes by what your saying even a time zone answer would be acceptable.
Cheap portable GPS's will search JUST your GPS location for Home Depot, restaurant, coffee shop, etc.
Have to check it out
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Old 04-12-2017, 08:47 PM
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That's strange. Mine does show the local points of interest and their distance from me just like my trusty old Garmin unit. For sure something is amiss with your nav.
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Old 04-13-2017, 04:03 AM
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Operator error.
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Old 04-13-2017, 05:47 AM
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Operator error.
maybe, maybe not, but the system is a pos
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Old 04-13-2017, 06:03 AM
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Old 04-13-2017, 07:14 PM
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Geeze, Doug, thanks for the helpful reply! Let me work on my craftsmanship.

No, it's not operator error. I had BMW confirm that they system was working properly, and their tech told me he worked on the QA team and that's how its *supposed* to work. I also found the same behavior in my loaner car, so it's not a problem with my car.

Does this make any sense? https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...NySzRrNkxFSVln

Tell me, Doug, how am I supposed to work it? I have a masters in computer science from Brown, but damn, these gadgets are tricky!

More evidence of how FU it is: If I use the Voice Input feature, and say "Home Depot", it gives me a completely different list - the *correct list* sorted by distance from me.

Go figure.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:11 PM
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I just tried my nav out for Home Depot. I said, "navigation, points of interest" and waited for the next voice prompt. I said "Home Depot" and all the local locations in order of distance were displayed.

So no, something is not working correctly with your system. You have the proper maps with the correct local updates installed?

Hope you get this sorted out.
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:19 PM
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Just last week, 100 feet too late to exit the freeway, I got stuck in a 1 hour traffic jam. It turned out to be something really horrible; 2 lanes to 1, so a tree could be trimmed.
But, the reason I missed my opportunity to escape was:
1) The traffic indicator was working, but was horribly inaccurate and misplaced the location of the 'red' traffic warning.
2) My up to date map, didn't know that the state of CA, had built an intersection/limited access overpass at that exact location, 3 years ago. Instead, it still thought the old divided highway had a "+" intersection 1/4 of a mile ahead. According to my iDrive, that off ramp I just past was a cow pasture.

Now, to respond to one post above, how is that "operator error"?
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:30 AM
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This is why I use google maps! Never had a problem with it.
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:49 AM
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LOL. This is why I use WeGo HERE.com maps! Never had a problem with it.

I am a registered editor for the company that writes BMW NAV software and map database.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:11 AM
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Nitpicking. When you learn a little about using it it always seems to get you where you want to go.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:45 AM
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Thanks, I see that too. See my 2nd post. Voice input "Home Depot" works fine, but enter "Home Depot" via the input screen and it doesn't - that's the really strange part! Can you tell me your result if you try it via the input screen?
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Old 04-15-2017, 01:06 PM
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Thanks, I see that too. See my 2nd post. Voice input "Home Depot" works fine, but enter "Home Depot" via the input screen and it doesn't - that's the really strange part! Can you tell me your result if you try it via the input screen?
I tried the input screen, selecting 'points of interest' and 'key words'. I entered Home Depot via the touch pad and got all the local results listed by proximity. I'm using the NA EVO maps that were installed when I picked up the car late last October. There's been one auto-update.

I haven't experienced anything like what you have. I wonder what's up with your system. Maybe a regional issue?
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Old 04-15-2017, 01:35 PM
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From my 2012 X5 Owners Manual. Your Mileage May Vary

Special destinations
Opening the search for special destinations
Selection of special destinations, such as hotels or tourist attractions.
1. "Navigation"
2. "Points of Interest"
3. Select the search function.
Online Search*
[ ... ]
A-Z search
[ ... ]
Category search
1. "Category search"
2. "Town/City"
3. Select or enter the town/city.
4. "Category"
5. Select the category.
6. "Category details"
For some special destinations, multiple category details can be selected. Move the controller to the left to leave the category
details.
7. "Start search"
A list of the special destinations is displayed.
8. Select a special destination. Details are displayed.
If multiple details are stored, you can leaf through the pages.
If a phone number is available, a connection can be established if necessary.
9. Select the symbol.
10. "Start guidance" or "Add as another
destination"
Add a destination as a further destination,
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:08 AM
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I use the online search in connected drive. Goes to google, sends to nav, works well (if a little slow over 3G on my 2014).
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(if a little slow over 3G on my 2014).
Slowly compared to what, please?
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:06 AM
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Slowly compared to what, please?
Doug,

I think Kryten stated a reasonable and reliable assessment of Kryten's wireless bandwidth comparison between successive devices. Not everyone has the techno-speak to express, what ordinary and reasonable people can experience and understand on an intuitive level.
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:19 AM
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Doug,

I think Kryten stated a reasonable and reliable assessment of Kryten's wireless bandwidth comparison between successive devices. Not everyone has the techno-speak to express, what ordinary and reasonable people can experience and understand on an intuitive level.


So the 2014 (LCI) F10 5 Series for example has the NBT (iDrive) Navigation that uses 3G cellular technology. The newer ones have NBT Evo which can have LTE (4G) technology which is much faster. It is just like your cellphone, newer ones are faster for both processor (how fast it can process something once downloaded) and for connection speed (how fast it can actually download).
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4G standard for high mobile applications is 100 Mbps and 1 Gps for low mobile applications (pedestrians), and it is capable of only IP voice. 3.0G is 200 Kbps and telephony voice capable. My upgraded TCU is 3G/4G capable.

I have not seen a BMW document specifying the Telematics Communication Unit's capability.
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Doug,

I think Kryten stated a reasonable and reliable assessment of Kryten's wireless bandwidth comparison between successive devices. Not everyone has the techno-speak to express, what ordinary and reasonable people can experience and understand on an intuitive level.
It's about being argumentative with nothing to add.
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nitpicking. When you learn a little about using it it always seems to get you where you want to go.
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