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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 03-28-2007, 09:20 AM
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2008 x5 3.0?

Anyone know if the 2008 model year will see the bowing of the turbo engine in the X5 3.0? I am just curious, as I recently test drove a 3.0 and found it a little lacking. However, I think $71000 for the 4.8 is a little too much. I have google'd it, but have not found anything reliable.

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Old 03-28-2007, 02:09 PM
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Did you drive the 3.0 in DS mode? I have no issues with power in my 3.0, it is a rocket.
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For about the last mile of my test drive. I hadn't realized I hadn't put it in DS. But when I did, I could tell a difference. I probably need to re-test drive it.

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Old 03-28-2007, 02:48 PM
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yes I would, also remember the X is very different after it breaks in. I have never had issues merging onto the interstate, I can rocket up to speed. Passing, again no issues at all. I am pleasantly surprised at how fast this baby is. I read alot of comments from 4.8 owners claiming the 3.0 was way under powered for the weight, blah blah....honestly it is all BS.

I feel like I have a sports car in a SUV's body.

BTW- the default transmission setup (D) is very conservative...but if you put the pedal to the floor it really gets up though. I find myself in DS mode for the majority of my city driving and zoom around traffic with ease, and am constantly changing back and forth as needed.
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Old 03-28-2007, 04:15 PM
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I also felt it was underpowered when I test drove the car, but my wife loved it. I floored it but I forgot to put it in Sport mode. I guess it should make a difference since my 330i also drives faster in DS mode, but the downshifts feel very strange?
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:44 PM
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I don't think BMW would close the performance gap to the 4.8i that close by adding the 3.5turbocharged engine. The best thing we can do at this point is hope.
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:43 AM
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Yes, but the same could have been said about them placing the twin-turbo engine in the 2008 5er. Now, the performance gap between the 550i and 530i is virtually gone.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:05 AM
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I find myself in DS mode for the majority of my city driving and zoom around traffic with ease, and am constantly changing back and forth as needed.
Probably racing to the gas pump! This baby sucks the gas in DS mode. A joy to drive though.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:30 PM
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i hope 3.0 diesel arrives next year....that is the rumour..
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Old 04-19-2007, 07:07 AM
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Anyone know if the 2008 model year will see the bowing of the turbo engine in the X5 3.0?
I asked the same question several times, since I wasn't sure to replace my car first (with a 5) or SUV first (with an X5). At the NY Auto Show, I was told by BMW NA guys that for MY2008 the engine will be the same, ie, no twin turbo engine for X5 3.0.

I don't understand why - a 3600lb 335 has 300 lb.ft torque, while a 5000lb X5 has only 220 lb.ft torque. On C&D's most recent luxo SUV comparo, X5 3.0 is No.7 out of 8 in 0-60, beaten almost by everyone including VW Touerag V6, the known slug in SUV. The new twin-turbo could easily turn X5 into a performance leader again, why BMW doesn't do that?
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:43 AM
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I asked the same question several times, since I wasn't sure to replace my car first (with a 5) or SUV first (with an X5). At the NY Auto Show, I was told by BMW NA guys that for MY2008 the engine will be the same, ie, no twin turbo engine for X5 3.0.

I don't understand why - a 3600lb 335 has 300 lb.ft torque, while a 5000lb X5 has only 220 lb.ft torque. On C&D's most recent luxo SUV comparo, X5 3.0 is No.7 out of 8 in 0-60, beaten almost by everyone including VW Touerag V6, the known slug in SUV. The new twin-turbo could easily turn X5 into a performance leader again, why BMW doesn't do that?
There will be an X5 3.5i with the N54 engine as 2008 model.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:47 PM
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I asked the same question several times, since I wasn't sure to replace my car first (with a 5) or SUV first (with an X5). At the NY Auto Show, I was told by BMW NA guys that for MY2008 the engine will be the same, ie, no twin turbo engine for X5 3.0.

I don't understand why - a 3600lb 335 has 300 lb.ft torque, while a 5000lb X5 has only 220 lb.ft torque. On C&D's most recent luxo SUV comparo, X5 3.0 is No.7 out of 8 in 0-60, beaten almost by everyone including VW Touerag V6, the known slug in SUV. The new twin-turbo could easily turn X5 into a performance leader again, why BMW doesn't do that?
Most Turbo motors deliver maximum torque at higher RPM's than non turbo motors of the same power which is the opposite of what you want in a heavy vehicle. Modern technology has minimized this somewhat but it's an issue. The one way around this is to do what Porsche did and take a large V8 and turbocharge it so you get the low end torque of a large non turbo motor and the high end power of a turbocharged one, an expensive solution. I haven't seen the torque curves of the 2 BMW motors mentioned above but i would think the non turbo motor delivers more torque at lower RPM even though the turbo motor might have higher peak torque.
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Looks like the X5 3.0d may indeed be heading to the states. While lurking on tdiclub.com, someone posted a link to this:

I just Ordered X5 3.0d in Chicago
http://www.x5world.com/x5-e70-forum/...d-chicago.html
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:48 AM
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Most Turbo motors deliver maximum torque at higher RPM's than non turbo motors of the same power which is the opposite of what you want in a heavy vehicle. Modern technology has minimized this somewhat but it's an issue. The one way around this is to do what Porsche did and take a large V8 and turbocharge it so you get the low end torque of a large non turbo motor and the high end power of a turbocharged one, an expensive solution. I haven't seen the torque curves of the 2 BMW motors mentioned above but i would think the non turbo motor delivers more torque at lower RPM even though the turbo motor might have higher peak torque.
You are right, low-RPM torque is more important to a heavy vehicle, and the torque curve of turbo engines WAS not best fit. It was more suitable to high-revv sports cars.

Today the technology has been improve a lot. I saw N54's torque curve somewhere (probably from this forum), the max torque starts at 1500 RPM, and stays flat till 5000-6000 RPM. I think it's a best fit.

Maybe the 360 lb.ft V8 is better, but BMW needs a <$50k main-stream SUV to stand out, rather than finishing #7 in a group of 8.
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Looks like the X5 3.0d may indeed be heading to the states. While lurking on tdiclub.com, someone posted a link to this:

I just Ordered X5 3.0d in Chicago
http://www.x5world.com/x5-e70-forum/...d-chicago.html
that would be awesome, a diesel engine finally
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:41 PM
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oooohh yeah...the new diesels rock...especially now the clean diesels are going to be a hit. Kick-ass torque, economical and they last forever....I got to have one...
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Old 04-26-2007, 02:34 PM
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Deciding if I should hold out for an '08 turbo and having never studied/owned a BMW before... I need to ask:

1) would it replace the current 3.0 engine altogether or would it be a 3rd model (3.0si, 3.5 turbo, 4.8i) ?

2) if it'll presumably be a 3rd model added to the mix, what's the expected/approximate price difference from the 3.0si ?

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Deciding if I should hold out for an '08 turbo and having never studied/owned a BMW before... I need to ask:

1) would it replace the current 3.0 engine altogether or would it be a 3rd model (3.0si, 3.5 turbo, 4.8i) ?

2) if it'll presumably be a 3rd model added to the mix, what's the expected/approximate price difference from the 3.0si ?
why are you not considering the diesel? I do not get it. are you one of those who remember diesels to be what they were 10-15-20 years ago...if yes then erase that image. 3.0d is going to be a smash hit!
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why are you not considering the diesel? I do not get it. are you one of those who remember diesels to be what they were 10-15-20 years ago...if yes then erase that image. 3.0d is going to be a smash hit!
I totally agree with you. I am waiting for the diesel model to get one.
I hope they will arrive here by the end of the year.
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The 3.0 seems fast enough for normal use. The 4.8 would be nice, but isn't worth the cost/mileage penalty IMHO.
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Some people here claim they will want the diesel, but so far with the MB diesels, it appears people talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. When you drive one, you might change you mind, since many people have never owned a diesel before, and can not warm up to the slower revving, low redline, and slightly clackity idle of even the most modern of diesels. Not to mention the cost increase for the diesel motor will make some people reconsider. Lastly, most people do not like the messy and smelly refueling of diesels and I can see the fairer sex giving that process a big thumbs down a month into ownership.


PS- The TT Gas motor is a go for 08 in the E70. I know a number of higher-ups at BMW Manufacturing and one of them confirmed it.
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If the TT does in fact come in the 08, I will be picking it up end of 07 or first of 08. My wife and I are expecting our first child in November, and she hates our 4runner. I was looking at the Q7, but she is in love with the X5 with Sport, Comfort/Vent seats. So, TT 3.5 or v8 4.8 it will be.

Thanks for the info, and if you hear anything else, please keep us updated.
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I don't think BMW would close the performance gap to the 4.8i that close by adding the 3.5turbocharged engine. The best thing we can do at this point is hope.
It makes business sense for them to bring the N54 engine to both the X5 and X3 for cost and inventory control reasons.
If BMW doesn't bring the N54 engine to both the X5 and the X3, you will have 2.8/3.0 N52 engines with the 3.0 TT N54 engine which will one engine too many.
The performance gap logic fails to hold water because they just did it with the 5er.
I see the following possibilities:
X3 2.8 & 3.0 TT I6 a la 3er and 5er
X5 3.0 TT I6 to replace the N52 engine.
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Some people here claim they will want the diesel, but so far with the MB diesels, it appears people talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. When you drive one, you might change you mind, since many people have never owned a diesel before, and can not warm up to the slower revving, low redline, and slightly clackity idle of even the most modern of diesels. Not to mention the cost increase for the diesel motor will make some people reconsider. Lastly, most people do not like the messy and smelly refueling of diesels and I can see the fairer sex giving that process a big thumbs down a month into ownership.


PS- The TT Gas motor is a go for 08 in the E70. I know a number of higher-ups at BMW Manufacturing and one of them confirmed it.
I think part of the issue with diesel is primarily how they package the engine vs performance. A critical consideration especially for many BMW owners is performance, if BMW decides to add a bi-turbo to their diesel engine, I'm sure it very well can warm/sway buyers to consider a diesel. Whereas a diesal with low performance values will give buyers second thoughts. Especially when you have rediculus ads by Ford claiming the Edge is faster than the X5, etc.....
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We already have a 535i despite the 550.

I suspect an X5 turbo will be out once the production line can keep up.

They already announced a 635 for the Euro markets.
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