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Old 02-09-2003, 09:40 PM
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stupid noob question--how to shift to reverse?

sorry for the stupid nature of this question, but i'm a total noob just learning to drive a manual. anyways, when i was in the dealership this past weekend, sitting in a z4, i depressed the clutch pedal and started shifting gears to get a feel for the shift gate. however, for the life of me, i couldn't figure out how to shift it into reverse. i know for my friend's civic, you have to have the brake pedal depressed. however, that doesn't seem to work on the z4's 6-speed manual (which i've heard is the same as the March production 330i). could anybod help this total noob? thanks.
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Old 02-09-2003, 09:46 PM
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Push hard, left. I've seen people use two hands.
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Old 02-09-2003, 09:48 PM
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wow, how hard? i thought i remembered reading something about resistance against pushing left to go to reverse, so i gave it some added pressure with no results. i guess i'll have to try again, only ripping the darn thing to the left.

so i take it, you move it left while in the neutral horizontal gate, pushing it hard, and then push up into reverse? so it's not like you first shift towards first, and then push to the left? sorry again for the stupid nature of the question.
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Old 02-09-2003, 09:50 PM
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The first time you try it (especially on a new BMW), you might feel like you're using too much force-- you're not. Pretty soon, it will become second nature. I like that BMW doesn't make you push down on the gear lever (or something similar) to select reverse.
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Old 02-10-2003, 02:35 AM
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Yep, pull it left towards you hard, then push it up towards the radio.

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Old 02-10-2003, 03:08 AM
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Yep, just pull it hard left. To give you an idea of how much force you need to apply, go from neutral to just under 5th. There's a small but noticeable resistance there. You have to use about 5 to 10 times as much force to get the lever to be under reverse, and you'll swear you're breaking something by doing so. Personally, I prefer this method of reverse interlock to other methods I've seen implemented: pushing down, pulling up, pulling up on a collar, twisting (!), reverse direction (towards 2nd/4th), and Porsche's famous "fake 6th gear" position (though they have an ingenious interlock which doesn't allow you to go from 5th straight into reverse). You'll get used to it the more you drive the car, though.
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:13 AM
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Or, slap it left.
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:17 AM
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Or, slap it left.
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:40 AM
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The first time you try it (especially on a new BMW), you might feel like you're using too much force-- you're not. Pretty soon, it will become second nature. I like that BMW doesn't make you push down on the gear lever (or something similar) to select reverse.
I have no problem with reverse lock outs (push down, pull up , or other) and actually perfer them when reverse is next to first.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:11 AM
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No need to feel stupid. I had the same problem the first time I took the E46 out for a test-drive. I couldn't get it into reverse and ended up rolling backwards to back up. Eventually I realized that it just took more force than I was use to get it into reverse.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:18 AM
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No need to feel stupid. I had the same problem the first time I took the E46 out for a test-drive. I couldn't get it into reverse and ended up rolling backwards to back up. Eventually I realized that it just took more force than I was use to get it into reverse.
Yeah, but you're a very "special" boy anyways.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:19 AM
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Push hard, left. I've seen people use two hands.
I had a girlfriend that for the life of her COULD NOT get the car into reverse. It had 33k on it then.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:25 AM
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Reminds me of a slightly amusing story...

I'm in Munich at the Euro Delivery pickup center. I just signed off on my new car and I'm driving out of their garage. It's a bit tight to get around the corner, so I stop to put the car in reverse. But I can't figure out how. I'm kind of looking at the shifter and, all of a sudden, this huge arm of some enormous German guy in a suit juts through the open front passenger window and slams the gear shifter left into reverse. I said "danke" and drove away.

...Well it was amusing to me.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:27 AM
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all of a sudden, this huge arm of some enormous German guy in a suit juts through the open front passenger window and slams the gear shifter left into reverse. I said "danke" and drove away.
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:37 AM
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Yeah, but you're a very "special" boy anyways.
Funny, real funny. . .
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Old 02-10-2003, 06:45 AM
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Hey Ack, did getting into reverse "change" at all after you installed the SSK ???
Not really. The amount of effort to get the car in reverse hasn't changed at all.

The only thing I noticed after installing the SSK was that during real cold mornings, if I'm not careful, the clutch will grind when putting her in reverse. To remedy this, I shift really slowly into reverse.
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Old 02-10-2003, 07:07 AM
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Old 02-10-2003, 07:39 AM
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I'm thinking of ordering the kit, but I heard it is a real pain in the ass to install in an XI car
I'm not sure but you should post or do a search over at e46fanatics.com. I'm sure some of the people with Xi's have the UUC SSK.

I got mine installed at the dealer. As long as they are doing the install, you shouldn't worry about the difficulty too much. I got charged $250 to get mine installed. It might cost more for an Xi.
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Old 02-10-2003, 10:28 AM
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Yeah, but you're a very "special" boy anyways.
thanks! i certainly feel special.

gosh, don't know what i'd do without you guys. and to think, i wasted like an hour trying to search for the answer on google. didn't want to appear like an idiot by asking you guys here, but i should've known better and asked here in the first place. you guys rock!
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Old 02-10-2003, 11:09 AM
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I'm not sure but you should post or do a search over at e46fanatics.com. I'm sure some of the people with Xi's have the UUC SSK.

I got mine installed at the dealer. As long as they are doing the install, you shouldn't worry about the difficulty too much. I got charged $250 to get mine installed. It might cost more for an Xi.
I happen to have vast experience with the xi and installing/removing the shift lever. First off, it is a pain in the ass because it requires that you drop the exhaust and the transfer case-end of the transmission. So for a first timer, the install will take 3-4 hours. Once you've got experience, you could do it alone in 2 hours.

Secondly, as far as UUC goes, they don't have an SSK for the xi yet, I'm working with Rob on getting prototypes tested. I haven't tried Rogue Engineering's model (pre-Octane), nor have I heard of any xi'ers who have. Bottom line, I recommend holding out on purchasing an xi SSK until the UUC one is confirmed completed. I'm not trying to push UUC's product, but they're currently the only company who's even willing to put time into xi tuning, so they deserve a lot of respect.

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Old 02-10-2003, 03:38 PM
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Push hard, left. I've seen people use two hands.
My aunt has been having her 325i 5-spd since august 2001 and to this day she used 2 hands to put it into reverse.
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Old 02-10-2003, 03:43 PM
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My aunt has been having her 325i 5-spd since august 2001 and to this day she used 2 hands to put it into reverse.
That would be just like my Mom. Of course, my Mom is so short that from the minimum safe airbag distance, she can't reach fifth gear without leaning WAY over. Third is apparently rather difficult, too.
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:13 PM
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yup like everyone says, push hard to the left. dont worry you wont break it.

but this reminds me the first day i picked up my car from the dealership. this was my first manual but i knew the reverse was all the way to the left(practiced on my friends XI). anyway it was a long 3 month wait and i guess i was pretty happy maybe adrenaline running but when i got onto the offramp and to the redlight, i accidently put the car in reverse thinking it was first. luckily my brother was following me and left alot of room behind. otherwise...

i like this setup because its simple and honestly not hard to push through the resistance.
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:15 PM
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i accidently put the car in reverse thinking it was first.
I did that a couple months back. In the left turn lane, I was distracted momentarily, and the advance green light came on. I slammed the car into "1st" and let out the clutch FAST. Well, I stopped about a clutch stop away from the car behind me. Now THAT was a wake-up call.
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Old 02-10-2003, 05:24 PM
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I did that a couple months back. In the left turn lane, I was distracted momentarily, and the advance green light came on. I slammed the car into "1st" and let out the clutch FAST. Well, I stopped about a clutch stop away from the car behind me. Now THAT was a wake-up call.
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