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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 06-24-2007, 02:44 PM
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m5 folding mirror install

branching off from this thread over at bfc, http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...02#post9902002
and thanks to jim l for this thread http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e39/8073986-1.html helped out a lot(read these first). heres some pics... the switch, routing the wires, crimping tool and crimp connectors/heat shrink tubing, switch mounted in center console, vanity shot of the new black interior(someone wanted to see a pic), mirrors up, mirrors down.
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Old 06-24-2007, 04:34 PM
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Old 06-24-2007, 06:18 PM
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Looks good nightkrawler

Now I'm glad I did the door modules!
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Old 06-24-2007, 06:29 PM
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Now I'm glad I did the door modules!
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Too many wires for my taste. With my mod ability(or lack of), if i would have gone the above route everytime i put the headlights on the seats would have gotten warm... And i dont even have to winter package.
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Old 06-24-2007, 06:37 PM
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It's just 2 wires from each mirrow that go to the

switch and power and grounf that rune to the switch, 6 wires total.
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:37 PM
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yep, very basic wiring skills involved. fold up=blue 12v/white ground, fold down=blue ground/white 12v. the time consuming part is routing the wires from the doors to the center console. easy, just takes time.
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Old 06-25-2007, 06:18 AM
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Getting ready to do mine....not very happy with the switch selection at radio shack...hopefully the one I have works...From what I recollect in my testing...when fully open or closed the motor stops... no?
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Old 06-25-2007, 07:05 AM
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The motor will stop when the mirror gets to the

end of it's travel. From what I recall once the motor hits the end the current goes up (motor can't turn) and a built in circuit breaker opens up to protect the motor. After a few seconds the breaker resets itself. You should really get a switch that springs back to the center position (off) when you release it.
Nightkrawler has posted a link at the top of this page to the info I posted on Roadfly with all of the switch info you need to order the correct one, I think it's about 5 bucks.
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Old 06-25-2007, 07:44 AM
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end of it's travel. From what I recall once the motor hits the end the current goes up (motor can't turn) and a built in circuit breaker opens up to protect the motor. After a few seconds the breaker resets itself. You should really get a switch that springs back to the center position (off) when you release it.
Nightkrawler has posted a link at the top of this page to the info I posted on Roadfly with all of the switch info you need to order the correct one, I think it's about 5 bucks.
yea...where are you folks ordering from? I went to Radio Shack...but I will search now..
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Old 06-25-2007, 08:00 AM
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Look at the link to the Roadfly post

1/2 way down it a link that is labled "Switch".
That will take you to You-Do-It Electronics where you can get the smaller switch.
Scroll down to the bottom of the link, it's p/n 30-10018, notice it is DPDT switch, momentary on-off-momentary on.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:58 AM
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These look very nice. I know you had been tinkering with these for a while... good job.

Where did you get the mirrors from? More or less, how much did it cost to paint? How long did the install take?
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Old 06-25-2007, 11:18 AM
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They look great man!
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:17 PM
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ebay, buddy from our body shop painted them for free, installing the mirrors is maybe 1.5hrs, wiring them is a day project.
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Reviving old thread alert!

Today, I believe there are two easy retail options to do Auto Fold with aftermarket M5 mirrors. I think anyone reading this thread know what those options are, but I really prefer this DIY method as those two options are costly!

Has anyone else out there tried this method? I'm planning to hit the Radio Shack today to get the dip switch, wires, and wire taps but was wondering if anyone has tried using a BMW OEM switch or tried mounting this switch in a location other than the center console. I'll post my experience, pictures, etc to this thread.

I have the DDM M5 mirrors and have been driving around with them for a couple months, but now have the itch to get the auto fold working. I'm also motivated by the fact that the parking stalls at my job are hella tight and having the mirrors fold up might save them from a nick or two.

In my research, I've also seen the E38 guys do this auto fold and have it work with the unlock button on their remote. Ideally, I would prefer to just go this route than have to drill out holes for a switch and run wires, but I haven't seen anyone on this board try this option and write about it for the E39.

Any advice on this one?
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:41 PM
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I don't think you will find a great selection of switches at Radio Shack, at least the Shacks in this area didn't have many. I did help one guy on the Roadfly forum do the switch install.
You should try to get one like I posted about in the link that nightkrawler mentioned.
All those pics are now gone so if anyone wants to see them let me know.
Having the mirrors operate with the door lock/unlock shouldn't be hard to do, you will need a off-time delay relay, a hand full of other inexpensive parts, and a little electronics background.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:51 PM
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I don't think you will find a great selection of switches at Radio Shack, at least the Shacks in this area didn't have many. I did help one guy on the Roadfly forum do the switch install.
You should try to get one like I posted about in the link that nightkrawler mentioned.
All those pics are now gone so if anyone wants to see them let me know.
Having the mirrors operate with the door lock/unlock shouldn't be hard to do, you will need a off-time delay relay, a hand full of other inexpensive parts, and a little electronics background.
Awesome!

Glad you saw this thread since you were one of the early contributors. So... on my lunch break I picked up an Auto-Flip Switch part#275-709 DPDT rated at 20A at 12VDC (whatever that means), center-off. Looks pretty much just like what's posted in the thread but seems much beefier.

The way the contacts are setup on it there are 2 metal prongs on each end (4) and one prong on each side (2) totalling six on the switch box unit. I also picked up 18 guage speaker wire, quick disconnects and tap-in connectors. All told this cheap DIY alternative still ran the bill up to $18.00!

My question is, I know I'll be running two wires from each of the mirrors to this switch and also tapping into the wires in the console for power, but...

Where do each of these wires go on the switch unit itself? A schematic wasn't provided with the switch but each metal prong contact is numbered from the top/noon, 1, 2, 3 (counterclockwise), then 4, 5, 6 (clockwise) also from the top/noon orientation of the switch.

JimLev, would definitely appreciate the pictures that appear to be missing from the RoadFly Forum.

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Found this image on instructables dot com. Can I assume that the middle prongs (2 and 5) are power and ground and that prongs 1 and 4, and 3 and 6 are the wires from the dc motors in the mirrors? If so, that helps with orientation but which is + and which is -?
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This should be the switch you bought.
http://milo.com/dpdt-20-amp-momentary-flip-switch

Give me a few minutes and I'll dig up the wiring for the switch.
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This should be the switch you bought.
http://milo.com/dpdt-20-amp-momentary-flip-switch

Give me a few minutes and I'll dig up the wiring for the switch.
Thanks - That's exactly what I bought, though in reading some of the user comments on the website, it seems switches like this weren't designed for motors. Hopefully durability won't play into this, but for 5 bucks, I can always upgrade later. Plus, I bought 18 guage wire which I know is already a higher guage than what is running from the motors, so hopefully that will act as some type of insulation for the power.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:15 PM
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This switches in these pics look different than what you bought, but yours gets wired the same way. Let me know if you need more info.
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This switches in these pics look different than what you bought, but yours gets wired the same way. Let me know if you need more info.
Genius!! Thank you so much! This is exactly what I was after. With any luck, I'll have this mod done tonight with pictures/comments posted by tomorrow.

One thing, did you really run a 10Amp fuse on your setup? I didn't pick one up, but because I'm tapping into a power source in the console (and not directly to the battery), wouldn't the amperage be within spec for these motors? Also, I know the console will have wires, but which one specifically did you tap into (power for the cig lighter, etc)?

I gotta say, you don't post too often over here huh?

Anyway, Thanks again!
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Old 08-24-2010, 03:24 PM
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All of that stuff was for another guy that didn't want to buy the M5 switch modules. I didn't know where he was going to tap into 12 volts so I added the fuse just to be safe.
I bought the M5 modules so I didn't have to worry about any of that.
If I remember correctly each mirror draws about 3 amps when running. You could tap into the cig lighter, but that is fused for 20 amps, if you did get a short the wires would mely before the fuse blew.
I usually hang out on the Roadfly forum, however that seems to be quite slow lately, maybe I'll visit this forum more often.
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All of that stuff was for another guy that didn't want to buy the M5 switch modules. I didn't know where he was going to tap into 12 volts so I added the fuse just to be safe.
I bought the M5 modules so I didn't have to worry about any of that.
If I remember correctly each mirror draws about 3 amps when running. You could tap into the cig lighter, but that is fused for 20 amps, if you did get a short the wires would mely before the fuse blew.
I usually hang out on the Roadfly forum, however that seems to be quite slow lately, maybe I'll visit this forum more often.
Cool well since the wires I'll be using are 18 guage and rated to 10amps, I think I should be okay. Your help is much appreciated!
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Update - First I was wayyy too optimistic about this seemingly remedial install. Though I definitely get the wiring and have all the tools to do that job, the routing of the wires is definitely time consuming. The only thing I was able to accomplish last night was the wire routing for the front passenger door. In fact, I never even got to route the wire to the center console.

Sorry no pictures, but here's what I suggest. First, don't bother removing any of the entry way trim (eg. BMW logo step plate). You will have to remove the footwell kick plate and that's a PITA. Then, route the wire from the passenger footwell through the opening left from removing the kick plate. Before you do that, the rubber boot that holds all the wiring that goes to the passenger door has to be dislodged to give you easier access for routing your wire. There's an 8mm bolt that you'll have to remove to make this happen. Once you route the wire through the rubber grommet, you'll also find you can route it through a small hold in the passenger door. Once you've done that, route the wires up to the blue and white/yellow wire of the passenger rear view mirror. I tested the DPDT switch and motor with a old 7.2V RC Car battery to see if the motor works. So far, it's been a fully stealth and hidden wiring job.

Tonight, I hope to tackle the driver's side door and center console to complete the job.
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Running any wires thru the E39 body is a PITA. I've run a lot of cables from the engine compartment, to the center console compartment and then to the trunk for various mods.
If you pull off the side panels on the front tranny hump (one phillips screw) you can run the switch wires up under the dash and then thru the lower dash area to each door.
Good luck.
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Running any wires thru the E39 body is a PITA. I've run a lot of cables from the engine compartment, to the center console compartment and then to the trunk for various mods.
If you pull off the side panels on the front tranny hump (one phillips screw) you can run the switch wires up under the dash and then thru the lower dash area to each door.
Good luck.
Thanks - that's my game plan for tonight is to run the wires from the mirrors through the lower dash, then up under the carpet/console sides along the tranny hump and into the area beneath the armrest (exactly as the picture listed in this thread shows).

I haven't opened up the console area yet, but in my research saw a DIY on how to do it that warns you not to splice into the airbag lines for power. That's freaked me a out a bit. I really would like to know ahead of time what power lines will be available to me to tap into when I get into the center console area. I expect there will be a wire loom for the cell phone option and maybe some lines for the illuminated shift knob, but that's all a hunch at this point.
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