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Old 07-11-2007, 01:24 PM
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Have you guys seen the UK brochure? (weight included)

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Weight quoted is 1560kg which works out to 3443lbs. But this includes a 68kg (150lbs) driver and 90% load of fuel. So if you remove the driver from the equation but keep the fuel (which I believe is how the US spec cars are rated), you end up with just a tad less than 3000lbs (3293lbs to be precise).

So it looks like similar weight to the E46 cars.
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Weight quoted is 1560kg which works out to 3443lbs. But this includes a 68kg (150lbs) driver and 90% load of fuel. So if you remove the driver from the equation but keep the fuel (which I believe is how the US spec cars are rated), you end up with just a tad less than 3000lbs (3293lbs to be precise).
3293 is not a tad less than 3000 ... I wouldn't even call that a "tad" over 3000. I'd call it fairly porky for a small car. No wonder BMW is offering the bigger engines over here.
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Weight quoted is 1560kg which works out to 3443lbs. But this includes a 68kg (150lbs) driver and 90% load of fuel. So if you remove the driver from the equation but keep the fuel (which I believe is how the US spec cars are rated), you end up with just a tad less than 3000lbs (3293lbs to be precise).

So it looks like similar weight to the E46 cars.
335i unladen weight (UK) is 1610 kg, so subtract 110 lbs from the US 335i sedan (BMW USA.com) and you get:

3484 lbs.

A little porker, as expected.
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3484 lbs.

A little porker, as expected.
Few is expecting this much though. Much heavier than my current E46 and BMW had the audacity to even compare it to the iconic 2002! Glad I never got too excited about this car to save some disappointment, unlike some other people here.
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Wish we were getting the 123d here. 204hp. 0-100 in 7.0 seconds.

Anyone notice the new colors? I bet we see some of those colors here too.


Boston leather, just like the hatch. Coral is new for the 1er. Unlikely we will see the cloth or cloth / leather choices. I would expect Leatherette for the US market but who knows.

Lots of trim choices too.
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3293 is not a tad less than 3000 ... I wouldn't even call that a "tad" over 3000. I'd call it fairly porky for a small car. No wonder BMW is offering the bigger engines over here.
Slow down, that was a typo, I meant 3300lbs.

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335i unladen weight (UK) is 1610 kg, so subtract 110 lbs from the US 335i sedan (BMW USA.com) and you get:

3484 lbs.

A little porker, as expected.
Not really. The brochure does NOT specify unladen for the 135. Read the fine print. It specifies a 68kg driver, 90% fuel load and 7kg luggage.

So to get the unladen weight (no fuel), subtract 68 + 7 + 32 (approx) and you get:
3443 - 236 = 3207lbs
Add back the fuel (is this how the weight is specified for US?): 3277lbs

So relax folks, it should be lighter than the E46 330i.
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Actually, BMW quotes the weight for their US spec cars according to EU regs (same as the UK brochure). Read your manual; it'll even say this right in the technical appendix. A direct comparison of the quoted weights of EU market cars and US market cars will only confirm this.

So, sorry folks: what you see is what you get. It's heavier than an E46 330i.

Why is anybody surprised? I called it weeks ago. The weight difference between the E87 (hatch) and E90/E92 isn't that large (generally 100-200 lbs depending upon trim). To expect miracles (or even really any change or improvement whatsoever) just because they changed up the sheet metal a bit is entirely unreasonable. Plus, there was that little tidbit on bmw.de about a power to weight ratio of 5.1 kg/PS, which would put the 135i out at around 3430 lbs.
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Actually, BMW quotes the weight for their US spec cars according to EU regs (same as the UK brochure). Read your manual; it'll even say this right in the technical appendix.

So, sorry folks: what you see is what you get. It's heavier than an E46 330i - significantly so.
That's strange - I just looked in the 335 manual (PDF) and in the Technical section at the end they do list the curb weight, but there is no mention of driver, fuel etc.

Is there any hard proof that the US spec curb weight includes any of this stuff?
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That's strange - I just looked in the 335 manual (PDF) and in the Technical section at the end they do list the curb weight, but there is no mention of driver, fuel etc.

Is there any hard proof that the US spec curb weight includes any of this stuff?
Just a minute - I'll scan my manual.
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Here (and just to give you an idea of how much the curb weights have ballooned over the past seven years ):
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Also, if you compare the quoted weights for the EU (German) 335i and the US 335i (sedans):

Unladen (EU) 1610 (1625) kg (3549 lbs / 3582 lbs)

Unladen (US) 3594 (3605) lbs

Some difference due to standard equipment. If anything, the EU weights are commonly a bit lower than the US weights (especially these days) because the US generally gets more standard equipment - some of which can add a significant amount of weight.

Oh, and has anybody else noted that the 120d coupe weighs the same as the five door version (and more than the three door)? So much for the coupe being "significantly lighter" than the hatch. I still don't know where people got that idea.
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Not really. The brochure does NOT specify unladen for the 135. Read the fine print. It specifies a 68kg driver, 90% fuel load and 7kg luggage.

So to get the unladen weight (no fuel), subtract 68 + 7 + 32 (approx) and you get:
3443 - 236 = 3207lbs
Add back the fuel (is this how the weight is specified for US?): 3277lbs

So relax folks, it should be lighter than the E46 330i.
The E46 330's unladen (EU) weight was like 1500 kg, so the 135i is roughly 130 lbs heavier than the E46.
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The E46 330's unladen (EU) weight was like 1500 kg, so the 135i is roughly 130 lbs heavier than the E46.
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Still, I'll probably end up getting one, even if it weighs 130lbs more than my ZHP. I mean, it's not like I notice the extra weight every time my wife rides with me...
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Still, I'll probably end up getting one, even if it weighs 130lbs more than my ZHP. I mean, it's not like I notice the extra weight every time my wife rides with me...
Still, thanks for bringing this up - I don't lurk or post at 1addicts (though I probably should since that's by far the most likely car I'd buy from BMW in the near future), so I would've missed it otherwise.
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That's strange - I just looked in the 335 manual (PDF) and in the Technical section at the end they do list the curb weight, but there is no mention of driver, fuel etc.

Is there any hard proof that the US spec curb weight includes any of this stuff?
BMW USA.com quotes the unladen weight (EU) - which includes the driver etc. It also doesn't include options.

Curb weight (in your manual or wherever) does not include the driver & fuel etc, but I think it may include options.

Comparing just unladen weight (EU), you can see the 135i is 1560 kg, and the 330i was like 1505 kg.
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BMW USA.com quotes the unladen weight (EU) - which includes the driver etc. It also doesn't include options.

Curb weight (in your manual or wherever) does not include the driver & fuel etc, but I think it may include options.

Comparing just unladen weight (EU), you can see the 135i is 1560 kg, and the 330i was like 1505 kg.
The manual's "curb weight" does include driver and fuel. See my attachment above.
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Ok, fine, it's a damn porker.

But did anyone notice the fuel economy? 21 "urban" and 40 "extra urban" for a combined rating of 30.7. Dunno how this compares to the EPA's city/hwy cycle but damn, nothing excites me more than a car that will 0-60 in 5.3 AND get 30 mpg.

So at least it's an efficient little porker.
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Ok, fine, it's a damn porker.

But did anyone notice the fuel economy? 21 "urban" and 40 "extra urban" for a combined rating of 30.7. Dunno how this compares to the EPA's city/hwy cycle but damn, nothing excites me more than a car that will 0-60 in 5.3 AND get 30 mpg.

So at least it's an efficient little porker.
Well, given that those specs are for the UK market, they're using Imperial gallons, which are somewhat larger than US gallons (1 IMP = 1.2 US). This translates to 17.5 city / 33 highway. I find that, compared to the EPA cycle, the EU cycles tend to be more optimistic for the motorways and pessimistic for the city. In reality, I think the EU numbers are probably more accurate in general (I have to drive with a very light foot to match - let alone beat - the EPA rating for my E46 in the city, but have no trouble beating the EPA rating on the highway).

Contrast the 135's fuel economy with the 335's (on the BMW UK site) and you'll see that the 135 is slightly more efficient, but not so much that it makes much of a difference in the real world. That's just on paper, of course.

It'll be interesting to see what the final numbers are. I'd think the Efficient Dynamics that BMW is touting will have some effect - though it's probably far more pronounced on the diesels.
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Ok, fine, it's a damn porker.

But did anyone notice the fuel economy? 21 "urban" and 40 "extra urban" for a combined rating of 30.7. Dunno how this compares to the EPA's city/hwy cycle but damn, nothing excites me more than a car that will 0-60 in 5.3 AND get 30 mpg.

So at least it's an efficient little porker.
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Actually, BMW quotes the weight for their US spec cars according to EU regs (same as the UK brochure). Read your manual; it'll even say this right in the technical appendix. A direct comparison of the quoted weights of EU market cars and US market cars will only confirm this.

So, sorry folks: what you see is what you get. It's heavier than an E46 330i.

Why is anybody surprised? I called it weeks ago. The weight difference between the E87 (hatch) and E90/E92 isn't that large (generally 100-200 lbs depending upon trim). To expect miracles (or even really any change or improvement whatsoever) just because they changed up the sheet metal a bit is entirely unreasonable. Plus, there was that little tidbit on bmw.de about a power to weight ratio of 5.1 kg/PS, which would put the 135i out at around 3430 lbs.
I am always so curious as to why people are so concerned with the 135i weight compared to the E46 330 (or any e46). Why would anyone be suprised?

Lets see:
1. The 135i will be vastly more powerful (this requires strengthened drivetrain, clutch, and axles)
2. The 135i is equipped with a more serious braking setup compared to ANY e46 (even the M3). Big, 6 piston brakes weigh will add some weight folks.
3. The 135i will be equipped with RFTs as stock. Take those off and you lose 20 lbs.
4. The 135i will likely be built on a stiffer chassis than the e46 (considering that the e90 is noticebly more solid feeling than the E46 IMO)
5. The 135i will be built to higher crash standards than the e46.

I mean, I love the e46 (my parents have a 330ci), but IMO, the e90 chassis (and thus to some degree the E82 chassis) is way more solid in fast driving. I would rather have that extra stiffness than a few LBS knocked off.....

Plus, cars are getting heavier, and no, it is not financially viable to start incorporating an extreme amount of weight saving materials into a 33-35K car. The next EVO, one of this cars main contenders will be pushing 3500+lbs.
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Ok, fine, it's a damn porker.

But did anyone notice the fuel economy?

The one that gets my attention is the 123d.


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Now that is a commuter car!
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3. The 135i will be equipped with RFTs as stock. Take those off and you lose 20 lbs.
None of the press releases I read (UK and US) mention anything about runflats. I think the 135 simply does not have them, in the same trend as the latest M cars.

To me that's just another indication that there will be no "M1". I think BMW is giving us in the 135 all the hardcore driving it's prepared to give.
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None of the press releases I read (UK and US) mention anything about runflats. I think the 135 simply does not have them, in the same trend as the latest M cars.

To me that's just another indication that there will be no "M1". I think BMW is giving us in the 135 all the hardcore driving it's prepared to give.
Some guys on 1addicts.com did a little photgraphic snooping and found that the tread pattern on the red/orange 135i matched the RE050A II RFTs.
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Some guys on 1addicts.com did a little photgraphic snooping and found that the tread pattern on the red/orange 135i matched the RE050A II RFTs.
There are RE050 RFT and non-RFT versions - are these treads different?
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