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Old 08-14-2007, 11:13 PM
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Fire extinguisher adapter

Last year when the guy used a powder fire extinguisher in his coupe, I removed the BMW one that I put in the Z4.
It's been sitting in a box for over a year next to my old Halon one and last night I glanced at it.
I was plannig to make an adapter for the Amerex 344T Halon one to attach to the BMW brackets.
Got up this morning and designed an adapter and the machinist created it this afternoon.
Installed it tonight and it tucks right in where you can hardly see it. Might go with the larger one in the future.

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Old 08-15-2007, 12:33 AM
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Ron,
Do you know off the top of your head if the 344T would fit the stock mount in a 99z coupe? I'll probably check into it this weekend, but was wondering if you happened to know.

thanks regardless..
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:58 AM
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Ron,
Do you know off the top of your head if the 344T would fit the stock mount in a 99z coupe? I'll probably check into it this weekend, but was wondering if you happened to know.

thanks regardless..
Not with out modification. If their is enough room below the two holes in the BMW bracket it might by just drilling the holes in the BMW bracket to accomodate the 344 bracket since it is shorter in length. At the time the BMW extinguisher was what we were using.

http://www.unofficialbmw.com/e36/int...r_m_coupe.html
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:07 AM
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Ron, if you wind up shopping for a replacement at some point, the H3R HalGuard are at the top of my list. Halotron 1.

http://www.h3rperformance.com/halguard_products.htm

What I'd really like is an FE-36 extinguisher, but I've yet to see one made with a handle that doesn't stick out way too far to mount on the car.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:34 AM
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I've got the H3R HalGuard in red. It may be just a rebadged Amerex with a cooler looking noozle.

1. If you'd like detailed photos or measurements of the H3R and its bracket, let me know.

2. Ron, are you in the Amerex to BMW bracket business? Got one more?
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Old 08-15-2007, 09:14 AM
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I've got the H3R HalGuard in red. It may be just a rebadged Amerex with a cooler looking noozle.

1. If you'd like detailed photos or measurements of the H3R and its bracket, let me know.

2. Ron, are you in the Amerex to BMW bracket business? Got one more?
Which one? HG100R?
That looks just like the Amerex one.
The Halon 344T in the Z4. It is the same size and uses the same bracket.

The Z3 bracket is different than the Z4 so would I would have to have a Z3 bracket.
It took the machinist just over one hour (at $50 per hour) to make the first one not counting material.
Will be making something else today and will ask him.
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Old 08-15-2007, 09:33 AM
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Ron, if you wind up shopping for a replacement at some point, the H3R HalGuard are at the top of my list. Halotron 1.

http://www.h3rperformance.com/halguard_products.htm

What I'd really like is an FE-36 extinguisher, but I've yet to see one made with a handle that doesn't stick out way too far to mount on the car.
On the Z3 one you may just have to drill holes in the stock one See post #3 link.
On the Z4 it is just to small separate mounts so I had to bridge across with a piece and then drill the holes.
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Old 08-15-2007, 09:39 AM
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Ron, if you wind up shopping for a replacement at some point, the H3R HalGuard are at the top of my list. Halotron 1.

http://www.h3rperformance.com/halguard_products.htm

What I'd really like is an FE-36 extinguisher, but I've yet to see one made with a handle that doesn't stick out way too far to mount on the car.
I was looking for the Halotron 1 last night but didn't come up with many places to purchase it.
Thanks for your link which has many places to buy it.

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Old 08-15-2007, 10:25 AM
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www.partsamerica.com used to carry, but now only carries the dry chemical.

I bought from them, and delivery was slow with a backorder (or two).

I got the http://www.h3rperformance.com/hg250r.htm and will attempt modifying the Z3 bracket.
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www.partsamerica.com used to carry, but now only carries the dry chemical.

I bought from them, and delivery was slow with a backorder (or two).

I got the http://www.h3rperformance.com/hg250r.htm and will attempt modifying the Z3 bracket.
I doubt it will fit under the seat.
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I have a 2.5lb Amerex halon at home and it is a little big for under the seat. It could be rigged up, I'm sure, but it won't be unobtrusive-looking.
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I have a 2.5lb Amerex halon at home and it is a little big for under the seat. It could be rigged up, I'm sure, but it won't be unobtrusive-looking.
I've eyeballed it, and it is possible but not pretty.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:18 PM
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I held mine up to the seat again when I got home from work today. It would be fairly visible with even ideal mounting, but I don't think it would ever contact my legs, as long as I mounted it with the top towards the transmission tunnel. I had planned on rigging up the mounting cage in the trunk, but this has gotten me thinking about fabbing up a seat mount.
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I've eyeballed it, and it is possible but not pretty.
Post pictures of attempted fitment? I'm curious.
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Do you know about Sporty's? They stock Halon (from H3R, I think) in three sizes. This is the medium:

http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl....oduct_id=10795
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:04 AM
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Do you know about Sporty's? They stock Halon (from H3R, I think) in three sizes. This is the medium:

http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl....oduct_id=10795
For H3R aviation extinguishers, Aircraft Spruce is a better source.

I'm trying to avoid buying Halon. I'd like to avoid bying Halotron too, but it seems the best option for a street car if you ever have to use it in the cabin.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:41 AM
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Why are you avoiding Halon/Halotron?
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Why are you avoiding Halon/Halotron?
In the case of Halon, high ozone depletion potential. Not a big fan of gas in general for outdoor fires (think windy day and an underhood fire), nor in-cabin fires (I need to breathe ). Good for the cars, not so good for the driver. Several of the racing sanctions have gone to AFFF. I tihnk NASCAR is the only sanction left still using Halon.
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Afff?
Aqueous Film Forming Foam. SPA, FireCharger and others have come up with mixes that handle class C fires. In the old days, AFFF was mostly only good for class A and some class B. Nowadays it's pretty common to see fire supression systems in race cars using AFFF. Still messy, but not miles away from pH of 7 like most of the dry powders; it can be cleaned up without destroying your car. Also doesn't suffocate the driver or agitate cardiac issues like Halon. In a race car, it's what I'd use; getting out alive (preferably unharmed by fire suppressant) is more important than the car. For a street car... I hope to never use the extinguisher and cabin fires (versus underhood fires) are pretty rare. Shouldn't need an integrated fire suppression system. Knock on wood.
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SCCA allows either Halon type or AFFF. I think my race car has Halon. Newer builds have AFFF, mainly due to price. But they do work well.

And handheld Halon type should be using, IIRC, 1301 which comes out as a liquid. If used properly Halon will put the fire out at concentrations much lower than those that cause health effects. Of course too many people want MORE.
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So, what's the environmental and health story on the replacements for Halon, like Halguard and Halotron. I understand these had a much shorter life than Halon in the environment. Is that so? And what about health impacts?


PS: I've now read the MSDS sheets on these, and to my untrained eye, Halotron looks safer that Halon.... What do the pros say, Terry?
http://www.amerex-fire.com/msds_en.html

PPS: Hmmm. The H3R MSDS on Halguard, a.k.a. Halotron I, seems more cautious than the Amerex one: "heartbeat irregularities about 2% in air."
http://www.amerex-fire.com/msds_en.html

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Hsr-hg100r

Ordered the HG100R today from Summit Racing 800-230-3030.
$99.95 plus $10.95 handling. Shipping is free
Comes from OH. Will arrive in CT Tuesday.
No bracket included.

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Ordered the HG100R today from Summit Racing 800-230-3030.
$99.95 plus $10.95 handling. Shipping is free
Comes from OH. Will arrive in CT Tuesday.
No bracket included.
Yesterday I ordered the HG100C along with the billet band and bracket (like you, I ordered from Summit since I've had nothing but good experiences with them). Should be here Monday. Halotron is hazmat, I'm surprised shipping/handling wasn't more. I'll be powdercoating the billet pieces. Thought about powdercating the tank, but emptying it to do that and then refilling it isn't in my budget right now. Hence the chrome instead of the red.
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:29 AM
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(like you, I ordered from Summit since I've had nothing but good experiences with them).
There were people cheaper but I've had good experience with Summit too.
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