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Old 09-19-2007, 04:03 AM
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Question 'Spinning' ignition barrel

I picked my car up from it's service 2day and my mechanic mentioned a problem

He said he put the key in the ignition and the key freely spun round.
He took the key out, put it bak in and everythin' was bak 2 normal

He says it's a common fault and that the barrel needs 2 b replaced BEFORE it completely goes as it is a nightmare 2 remove when it completely breaks

I assume I'll have to get a new ignition barrel from a dealership

Has any1 else had, or heard of, this problem before??
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I picked my car up from it's service 2day and my mechanic mentioned a problem

He said he put the key in the ignition and the key freely spun round.
He took the key out, put it bak in and everythin' was bak 2 normal

He says it's a common fault and that the barrel needs 2 b replaced BEFORE it completely goes as it is a nightmare 2 remove when it completely breaks
I assume I'll have to get a new ignition barrel from a dealership

Has any1 else had, or heard of, this problem before??
I learned this the hard way. It is nothing short of a nighmare! The parts aren't chep either.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:30 AM
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My 328is is spinning 360 degrees sometimes now.

In that thread (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...gnition+barrel) it shows how to replace the ignition switch.
One post also states it may need a new carrier. Does it?

In page one of that thread was this post from

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Well, Mine actually went out. Didnt think anything of it when it spun every now and then. They replaced my ignition switch. It comes with the tumbler and evry thing. This is a dealer job only. Your key is programed to your car. and that tumbler is what reads that code(this is from the dealers words). They order a new switch and program the tumbler to the car, so you dont have to get new keys and all that jazz. My total fix was 524 USD. Mainly labor. But it took a week to fix and i got a free car wash and detail. not that it is that much of a consolation bc i still spent 524 dollars on fixing the stupid thing. But good luck on getting yours fixed. Im in Delaware, so pretty close to you in think.
So, does the dealer need to "program" a new switch?
If you change the ignition cylinder is it still keyed the same as the doors?

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Old 09-20-2007, 03:18 AM
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Just got off from the phone with the dealer and after givin' my VIN number, he says the part will be 42.68 inc VAT

It will take 7-10 days from when I order it (I need 2 actually go to the dealers 2 do that) and he said it was just a straight swap, no need for updating or changing any embedded software

I just hope my old barrel lasts until then............
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My 328is is spinning 360 degrees sometimes now.

In that thread (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...gnition+barrel) it shows how to replace the ignition switch.
One post also states it may need a new carrier. Does it?

In page one of that thread was this post from



So, does the dealer need to "program" a new switch?
If you change the ignition cylinder is it still keyed the same as the doors?

Thanks.
It sounds like this guys barrel actually COMPLETELY went

If ur barrel still works and only spins sometimes, u can remove it easily as u have to hav the key in 2 remove it without problems

If the barrel completely goes, u will prob hav 2 go 2 ur dealership


Chek out the 3rd post on this thread
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OK so guess there are two parts.
The cylinder and the barrel (or carrier).
If I change it now I may only need a cylinder. If I wait, I may need both.

With the new cylinder do you get the same original key or will you need a one key for your locks and a different one for your ignition?

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OK so guess there are two parts.
The cylinder and the barrel (or carrier).
If I change it now I may only need a cylinder. If I wait, I may need both.

With the new cylinder do you get the same original key or will you need a one key for your locks and a different one for your ignition?

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Same key.
And the reason it sucked so bad when I had to do the repair is because my cylinder and carrier completely went and I had to replace them both. The carrier is the nightmare. I'm not joking when I say that I had to remove 2 bolts in the steering collumn that were specifically designed by german engineers to be unremovable. It required a hammer and a chisel. Seriously. I wish I could find the pictures.
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Same key.
And the reason it sucked so bad when I had to do the repair is because my cylinder and carrier completely went and I had to replace them both. The carrier is the nightmare. I'm not joking when I say that I had to remove 2 bolts in the steering collumn that were specifically designed by german engineers to be unremovable. It required a bit of common sense. Seriously. I wish I could find the pictures.
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No, it literally required a hammer and chisel to break these bolts loose. That sounds ridiculous, but is not a joke at all.
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No, it literally required a hammer and chisel to break these bolts loose. That sounds ridiculous, but is not a joke at all.
Yes it does
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I was told in very broken english, by a retired BMW factory trained tech that was from Germany no less, that this is the only way to get the steering collumn apart to remove that carrier. He said if I took it to the dealership they would do exactly that, and then he proceeded to remove the first one for me. I will find a tech article about it today and post it for you guys, because I know how insane this must sound, especially coming from me.
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Although Pelican are great, there word is not law!
No it is not. However, their word....
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Went to the dealer to order a new key and an ignition cylinder. The key is on order and should be here in less than a week, but...... he informed me that after Jan. 1995 the ignition needs to be reprogrammed if disconnected, otherwise the car will not recognize the new ignition switch.

Has anyone here done this job who owns a car built after Jan. 1995?
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My switch only spins when the key is not fully inserted.
When it is fully inserted it works fine.

Is it normal for the key to spin when it is not fully inserted?

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Ours has done this a couple of times, and after reading how horrid a job it can get to, I made the call and had a new barrel ordered! Last thing you would need would to be off on a little junket and get stranded. We had a look at the removal and replacement pics, thanks to bimmerfest and woo hoo we managed to get the one out of our parts car. So..... now onto the real thing! We didn't want to perhaps do damage to our baby.
We will have a go at her next week before our part arrives.....10 business days so the parts guy says......now that we have a feel for it! Cost? $149.00 CDN plus pst gst
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Found this tonight at bmwuuc:

http://www.bolhuijo.com/bmwlockcylinder/

It shows the cylinder lock, how to remove it and the tab that breaks off.

Nice job!! Great pictures!!


MUCH other info at bmwuucdigest.
I got this at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdi.../msg07095.html

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I order mine 2moz

Will take 7-10 days to get it

I'll post bak wen the job is done

I can't believe how common this fault seems 2 b!!
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So is it just when you get the new key and barrel that you need it re-programmed or was that dealer in SF wrong?
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I just ordered a new ignition barrel and was told it's a straight swap

It will take 7-10 days to arrive as they have to make it 2 my car

My mechanic and the parts guy said it wa a straight swap - no need 2 update the software and I keep my exisitin keys

Only cost 43 too so that wa nice suprise!
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