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Old 11-06-2015, 11:24 AM
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New member new 1995 740il owner - Need a master key

Just purchased a 1995 740il. Bought from a career center that no longer needed it. Missing parts most important at this point the master key. Where can I find a replacement?
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Old 11-06-2015, 12:10 PM
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Welcome to Bimmerfest! I've moved your question to the E38 7 series forum, you will get more help in here. You probably have to get the key from the dealer, not sure if that applies to the older models or not.

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Old 11-06-2015, 02:17 PM
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Go to the dealer . Runs about 300.00
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:18 PM
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Dealer only btw
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:00 PM
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Do you have another key? I ask because many dealers require current registration, in your name, from the DMV to order you a key. Might also call around to different BMW dealers as some sell parts cheaper than others. There is one in South Carolina that many in another forum use. Don't recall which one but once you know you have the proper info to order, may be worthwhile to check around.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:02 PM
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Yes they are dealer only. And if you drive down to Erhard BMW of Farmington Hills it shouldn't be $300.00. Individual dealerships set their own prices on parts and I've heard of crazy prices for keys ($300 is kind of typical) but I got a master and a valet for much less at Erhard.

And as MayorChuck mentioned while I was typing...they require registration and drivers license to prove that YOU OWN the car, so if you make the trip down here don't forget them.


Hey, you know any Anstines up there? They've been known to roam around Clare, Evart and Reed City.
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Old 11-09-2015, 11:53 AM
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Actually, in this case it depends on your build date.

EWS 2 started with the 1/95 build date...and this is when the key got the transponder inside. Prior to that is EWS 1 (for the early build e38s) and there was no transponder in the key. So look at the VIN label on the driver's door jamb...the build date is listed at the end of the 2nd line (month/year). If it is prior to 1/95...you can just find a keysmith that sells a similar blade and can cut it.

If your build date is AFTER 1/95...then you will need to order the key from a dealer as others mentioned above and give them the VIN...that is how the record of the (ISN) individual serial number is kept that is specific to your vehicle.






You also have the choice of a remote or non remote key. The remote keys are the ones that cost 3 figures. But there is a non remote illuminated key and spare key that is less than 3 figures that is available...as well as a door/ignition key (has a gray head) that is used to be called the VALET key that won't unlock the trunk...pass on this key if you're looking to get a spare because most people who lock their keys in the car...it's usually the trunk. So if the valet key is the only spare you have...you're still in a pickle because it won't unlock the trunk. Get one of the other non remote keys as a spare/back-up key.

Build dates before 1/95 uses remote key #13 in the diagram below...build dates after 1/95 use #15. :

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Old 11-13-2015, 09:39 AM
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Old 11-13-2015, 09:44 AM
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Thanks a bunch. I have the valet key but need to get in the trunk to install a battery to start the process of determining why the car was donated to a career center. My wife saw it and said "fix it. I want it."
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Old 11-13-2015, 09:47 AM
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Thanks. Now have the title transferred to my name and will start calling Bmw dealers. Don't know any Astines around Clare in fact we were married in Reed City but that was 38 years ago! I can barely remember what I had for lunch yesterday!
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:25 PM
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Thanks a bunch. I have the valet key but need to get in the trunk to install a battery to start the process of determining why the car was donated to a career center. My wife saw it and said "fix it. I want it."
If you're lucky...they kept the trunk lock cylinder in the vertical position ( | )...if they did, then you can press the interior trunk release button to open the trunk.

If for some reason they separated the trunk from central locking (VALET MODE) and the trunk lock cylinder is horizontal ( -- )...then you won't be able to get into the trunk until you get a working remote or non remote key that is NOT the gray headed VALET (door & ignition) key.

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Old 11-13-2015, 05:54 PM
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Thanks. Now have the title transferred to my name and will start calling Bmw dealers. Don't know any Astines around Clare in fact we were married in Reed City but that was 38 years ago! I can barely remember what I had for lunch yesterday!
Wow...38 years ago would be about when my uncle moved up there, put a trailer on 10 acres by Reed City thinking it would be better to raise his kids in the woods than the Metro Detroit area (Romulus IIRC). Of course he was also tired of the fast paced rat race of the city, he was working skilled trades at GM.


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If you're lucky...they kept the trunk lock cylinder in the vertical position ( | )...if they did, then you can press the interior trunk release button to open the trunk.
Does that button work when the battery is dead (or missing)?
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Old 11-14-2015, 12:59 AM
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I powered up the fuse box with a jumper wire. All the dash and interior lights came on but the electric switch near the parking brake did not open the trunk. Apparently the trunk key tumbler is in the lockout position. Looks like the only remedy is the new master key.
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Old 11-14-2015, 06:10 PM
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Wow...38 years ago would be about when my uncle moved up there, put a trailer on 10 acres by Reed City thinking it would be better to raise his kids in the woods than the Metro Detroit area (Romulus IIRC). Of course he was also tired of the fast paced rat race of the city, he was working skilled trades at GM.




Does that button work when the battery is dead (or missing)?
No...the interior trunk release button requires electrical power...just like the central lock/unlock button on the center console.
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Old 11-14-2015, 06:15 PM
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I powered up the fuse box with a jumper wire. All the dash and interior lights came on but the electric switch near the parking brake did not open the trunk. Apparently the trunk key tumbler is in the lockout position. Looks like the only remedy is the new master key.
If you have access to the engine bay...BMW provided jump start terminals...so if the battery in the trunk needs a jump or just needs to be charged...you can hook up jumper cables or a battery charger/trickle charger/float charger to those terminals.

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Old 11-15-2015, 06:24 PM
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I did hook jumpers to the positive and negative terminals under the hood and then hooked a jumper to the hot terminal in the fuse box but the trunk latch switch under the dash near the parking brake would not open the trunk. Did not know of a main lock unlock switch on the center console. Will have to check that tomorrow. Heading to Okemos BMW this week to look into a non remote master key. Thanks for all the great assistance.
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Old 11-15-2015, 10:06 PM
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As I mentioned in my first reply...regardless of what you attempt...if the trunk lock cylinder is turned horizontal ( -- )...the trunk will not open except with a key (remote or non remote) as long as it's not the gray head VALET key.

Again, when the trunk cylinder is horizontal...the trunk has been separated from central locking...the central lock/unlock button won't open the trunk either. If it did...then having a valet key would be moot...anytime you'd give your car to the valet...they could take anything you've secured in the trunk or glovebox by pressing the interior trunk release button or central unlock button.
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Old 11-17-2015, 07:35 PM
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Update on the key saga. Finally broke down and visited Okemos Collection BMW dealer. Non remote master key for $65. Very satisfied. More later on the status of my auction purchased "parts" 740il.
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:14 AM
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I would start with the dealer....Take the registration because they make the key according to the VIN.....Takes about 2-3 days, then you will have to program it. (instructions included).......Thats the way it was for my 2001........Gonna be about $180
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I would start with the dealer....Take the registration because they make the key according to the VIN.....Takes about 2-3 days, then you will have to program it. (instructions included).......Thats the way it was for my 2001........Gonna be about $180
See post #18 for last resolution/conclusion.
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Old 12-07-2015, 05:06 PM
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An update on my 1995 740il parts car purchased adventure. Bought a non-remote master key from Okemos Collection dealership for $65.00. Opened the trunk and found the prior owners had removed the complete positive battery cable assembly. After many hours of study and crawling around the interior of the car found termination points for cables and they are now installed. The car rolls over well so I am now pushing ahead with the purchase of a fuel tank. Will let everyone know soon whether or not it runs. Thanks everyone for your help.
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